Charlotte Media Wants Clausen To Fail

[panthers55]

Jimmy Clausen playing does mean the Panthers suck or he would never see the field. Anyone who doesn't root for the starting quarterback to have a great year is surely no Panther fan. And lastly someone who wants an unproven rookie to start over a proven veteran who has won 3/4 of the games he has started, obviously is a fan of Clausen not the team.

Based on the above comments, we agree totally.

[Jpjr]

Based on the above comments, we agree totally.

"And lastly someone who wants an unproven rookie to start over a proven veteran who has won 3/4 of the games he has started, obviously is a fan of Clausen not the team."

I love this line. You are either a Matt Moore fan or you aren't a Panthers fan.

There must be a lot of Sam Bradford fans in St. Louis and not Rams/Feeley fans.

Lots of Stafford fans and not Lions/Culpepper fans.

Lots of.. you get the picture how ridiculous this sounds.

[panthers55]

"And lastly someone who wants an unproven rookie to start over a proven veteran who has won 3/4 of the games he has started, obviously is a fan of Clausen not the team."

I love this line. You are either a Matt Moore fan or you aren't a Panthers fan.

There must be a lot of Sam Bradford fans in St. Louis and not Rams/Feeley fans.

Lots of Stafford fans and not Lions/Culpepper fans.

Lots of.. you get the picture how ridiculous this sounds.

You obviously don't get it. I wasn't that crazy about Moore and still have my reservations but the bottom line is he is our starting quarterback. As such I will support him as long as he plays. If he is replaced by Clausen or Cantwell then i will support them 100% as well.

Why?

Because our future is tied to the quarterback and whoever that is will determine our success.

People who want Bradford to start over Feeley before the season starts are Bradford fans not Ram fans. Fans who want both of them to do well and may the best man win and start are Ram fans.

The differences between their situation and our is numerous. Feeley doesn't have a winning record as a starter, Bradford is getting 70 million to play and the list goes on. There is a big difference between playing your announced starter who earned it on the field last year versus playing either a backup who you signed, or a rookie who you drafted. St Louis can afford to have a 3-13 season this year while Fox can't nor would fans be satisfied with that.

[Varking]

You obviously don't get it. I wasn't that crazy about Moore and still have my reservations but the bottom line is he is our starting quarterback. As such I will support him as long as he plays. If he is replaced by Clausen or Cantwell then i will support them 100% as well.

Why?

Because our future is tied to the quarterback and whoever that is will determine our success.

People who want Bradford to start over Feeley before the season starts are Bradford fans not Ram fans. Fans who want both of them to do well and may the best man win and start are Ram fans.

The differences between their situation and our is numerous. Feeley doesn't have a winning record as a starter, Bradford is getting 70 million to play and the list goes on. There is a big difference between playing your announced starter who earned it on the field last year versus playing either a backup who you signed, or a rookie who you drafted. St Louis can afford to have a 3-13 season this year while Fox can't nor would fans be satisfied with that.

I can't want Clausen to start and still be a Panthers fan? I want him to start, but I want him to earn it. I truly believe that he gives them a better chance to win in the long haul.

I think it is obvious I am not sold on Moore. I think it is a joke to call him proven for the time being as well. He has 8 career starts, that is half a season. He has less then 2000 career yards, 4 fumbles, 11 career touchdown passes to 7 interceptions.

His completion percentage last season sandwiches him between Kyle Orton and David Garrard. Middle of the pack. His career completion percentage would have put him at 22 of 32 for last season. I think we may need to define proven better because its just 8 starts total, and they didn't ask him to really take over games where defenses were game planning for him. The other teams will continue to plan for the running attack.

Is "proven" now just game managing for half of a season? Is Vince Young proven in this league? Is the Sanchize proven? Brady Quinn? If Clausen gets 8 starts over the span of the next three years like Moore has, will that make Clausen proven?

Moore is still mostly an unknown. They asked him to fill in and manage some games last season at the end of the year and he did a nice job but do we really know he will perform like that again this upcoming season now that defenses will have to plan to stop him as well? We shall see.

[RealisticFan]

I can't want Clausen to start and still be a Panthers fan? I want him to start, but I want him to earn it. I truly believe that he gives them a better chance to win in the long haul.

I think it is obvious I am not sold on Moore. I think it is a joke to call him proven for the time being as well. He has 8 career starts, that is half a season. He has less then 2000 career yards, 4 fumbles, 11 career touchdown passes to 7 interceptions.

His completion percentage last season sandwiches him between Kyle Orton and David Garrard. Middle of the pack. His career completion percentage would have put him at 22 of 32 for last season. I think we may need to define proven better because its just 8 starts total, and they didn't ask him to really take over games where defenses were game planning for him. The other teams will continue to plan for the running attack.

Is "proven" now just game managing for half of a season? Is Vince Young proven in this league? Is the Sanchize proven? Brady Quinn? If Clausen gets 8 starts over the span of the next three years like Moore has, will that make Clausen proven?

Moore is still mostly an unknown. They asked him to fill in and manage some games last season at the end of the year and he did a nice job but do we really know he will perform like that again this upcoming season now that defenses will have to plan to stop him as well? We shall see.

OK you convinced me. Let's call the Panthers and tell them to just put Jimmy in now, because it is inevitable. Why wait and see him play? That is just a waste of time.

Jimmy! Jimmy! Jimmy!

[cdandi1]

i have to take a dump.

[Anybodyhome]

From the sublime to the incredibly ridiculous...

[RealisticFan]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VS07PpXpPyk&feature=related

[Varking]

OK you convinced me. Let's call the Panthers and tell them to just put Jimmy in now, because it is inevitable. Why wait and see him play? That is just a waste of time.

Jimmy! Jimmy! Jimmy!

You must have missed the spot where I said I wanted him to earn it. The main points were that it should be earned, and that Moore is still unproven. You missed it.

[MHS831]

If you want Clausen to start you can be a Panther fan, sure, but a dumb football fan. Rookie QBs who were drafted in the first round and start have about a 50% chance to bust. History should tell you that bringing a QB along slowly is the way to go, so why would you want to increase Clausen's chance to fail? You have Moore and he is a young vet with experience. His QB rating is about 89 and he is 6-2, 4-1 last year. What is wrong with that?

[Varking]

If you want Clausen to start you can be a Panther fan, sure, but a dumb football fan. Rookie QBs who were drafted in the first round and start have about a 50% chance to bust. History should tell you that bringing a QB along slowly is the way to go, so why would you want to increase Clausen's chance to fail? You have Moore and he is a young vet with experience. His QB rating is about 89 and he is 6-2, 4-1 last year. What is wrong with that?

Recent history tells us different. Stafford has a nice shot at being good for a long time. Ryan is going to be just fine. Sanchize helped his team get deep into the playoffs last season and he couldn't have got any worse. Neither of the Mannings or Roethlisberger seem to be struggling.

A dumb football fan is a closed minded fan, who just assumes that every situation is the same for a rookie quarterback. Its not. They say the same thing for college football. Freshman QBs should redshirt and not play their first year. Clausen didn't redshirt, went on to earn the starting job, and played just fine. Not all people are the same.

This team has plenty of weapons to help a rookie QB out. You seem like the type of guy who a few years ago claimed that a wildcat formation could never work in the NFL, then had to open your mind to the fact that when deployed correctly it can be a dangerous formation.

[cdandi1]

i have to take a dump.

i feel 10 pounds lighter

[Carl Spackler]

This is the absolute best example of a double standard.

In 2009, if you liked Jake, who was our PROVEN STARTING QB, who took us to a Super Bowl, you weren't a Panthers fan. You were a Jake homer. If you liked him you were subjected to ridicule on here, unless you really liked Matt Moore, the guy who won 2 of 3 career games and was completely unproven.

In 2010, if you DON'T like Moore, who is still largely unproven, you aren't a Panthers fan. You HAVE to support the starting QB, but you didn't have to with Jake. Now if you like Clausen, you're not a Panthers fan. This is ridiculous, making fun of people because they want Clausen to succeed. I like Moore and Clausen.

But there are too many BMJS (Blind Moore Jock Sniffers) on here. Just wait until he has a bad game, it'll be the O-Line's fault, or Fox's fault. If Clausen throws an incompletion, it'll be all his fault. Seriously just be fair. Is it that hard?

[smash_n_dash]

Recent history tells us different. Stafford has a nice shot at being good for a long time. Ryan is going to be just fine. Sanchize helped his team get deep into the playoffs last season and he couldn't have got any worse. Neither of the Mannings or Roethlisberger seem to be struggling.

A dumb football fan is a closed minded fan, who just assumes that every situation is the same for a rookie quarterback. Its not. They say the same thing for college football. Freshman QBs should redshirt and not play their first year. Clausen didn't redshirt, went on to earn the starting job, and played just fine. Not all people are the same.

This team has plenty of weapons to help a rookie QB out. You seem like the type of guy who a few years ago claimed that a wildcat formation could never work in the NFL, then had to open your mind to the fact that when deployed correctly it can be a dangerous formation.

For all the QBs that you mentioned there were just as many busts. By your own admission we do have plenty of weapons to help a QB out. Fox has already stated that Moore will be the starter and the only way that changes is what happens in preseason games. So its pointless to continue this stupid thread about Moore vs Clausen.

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