Something to Think About: Clausen vs Bradford

[cdandi1]

To get an idea about how much reps mean to a QB. we can all agree clausen played much better this week than last..on the road in a hostile atmosphere. Not to mention the qb headset was broken most of hte first quarter. We saw marked improvement from his 1st to his 2nd start (examples, no turnovers)...all jimmy needs is time to gel with the 1's. It'll happen.

[Dilla]

How in the world did Clausen come into a better situation? As of today, the Rams have better receivers and a better offensive line than we do. They also have the best running back. They also don't have a fullback that sucks. And everybody in the Rams organization expected Bradford to win the starting job very quickly and prepared that way in the offseason whereas everyone expected Moore to at least be serviceable this season and for Clausen to sit. So yes, saying Clausen is in the better situation gets a lol from me.

And my point about The Golden Calf of Bristol is that it would be a better comparison to compare Clausen to The Golden Calf of Bristol rather than Bradford. And The Golden Calf of Bristol is currently the #3 quarterback in Denver behind Kyle Orton (lol) and Brady Quinn (lololololol).

I agree with the training camp thing, but the Rams WR corps are no more experienced than the Panthers. Mark Clayton, despite being a first round pick, never got anymore than 700 yards in one seasonin his career. And Gibson and Amendola were both practice squad players for other teams prior to this year. Laurent Robinson isn't even playing and Mardy Gilyard has one catch for 7 yards.

And that line was terrible last year. Part off it is definitely Bulger's fault, but him, Boller, and Null was sacked 44 times last year. And they didn't exactly overhaul it.

And you do know that Kyle Orton is averageing 355 yards a game with a 67.5 completion percentage right? I don't see why that is funny. The Golden Calf of Bristol played better than Quinn in the preseason no doubt, just with the offense The Golden Calf of Bristol played in, it would be silly to throw him on the field.

[Delhommey]

Bradford was a system QB? Clayton may have been his teammate?

The OP is full of fail.

[Dilla]

In college? Nah, Clayton left a year before Bradford came in.

[Jpjr]

Guys... the Rams beat the Redskins and the Seahawks two of the worst defenses in the league.

Bradford had snaps with the starters from Day 1 and took over very early when Feeley went down. He's had way longer to work with the starters than Clausen.

All this said, when these guys go head to head let the best QB win.

Clausen has been making mistakes but unfortunately the mistakes he is making are mistakes that you ideally iron out in the preseason.

His biggest issue is confidence. With Smith off the field critiquing his every move I expect very good things to happen.

Keep in mind Panthers are the younger team.

[Snake]

Are you serious??? at the time..top 10 Oline,best group of RB in the NFL and top 10 WR and QB that could hold the job untill he was ready to take it..It did not work out like that. but that was the thinking by everybody at the time.Thats a way better situation than Bradford.

You cant say 100% what anyone in the rams FO was thinking.No it would not be a better comparison because nobody ever brought up Tebows name as the #1 overall pick but Clausen and Bradford were in the discussion for the top spot.

I think we as fans tend to make the Panthers sound better cause its our team.

We knew we didnt have any WRs besides Smith.

We knew Moore was untested and it was discussed numerous times.

We knew our team had a fire sale with the Vets and we had a very young

team.

We didnt know Otah was going to have surgery but then we knew our Oline

was going to be bad without him.

The bright side was we had some core players like Beason, Gamble, Smith, Dwill/Jstew, and Gross.

If you ask me thats really not all that great of a situation. Its not what I would call a vet team by any means.

[Proudiddy]

Bradford was a system QB? Clayton may have been his teammate?

The OP is full of fail.

Way to jump in with your annual dickriding of one of my threads. If you can't provide anything constructive to a legitimate discussion go back to indie music and bestiality porn per usual.

"MAY" was put in the sentence regarding Clayton b/c as I mentioned in the post, I wasn't looking those things up at the time... Therefore, I was unsure of whether Clayton was there at any time with Bradford, see they have these things called redshirts and such... I know Clayton is relatively still young and wasn't quite sure how long Bradford had been there, sorry, was off by 2 years. And I'm sorry, I don't live in the country of steers and queers as you do, so I don't get to see Big 12 games that often and don't really care for the Oklahoma program.

Show me proof he wasn't a system QB in college, COACH. Not many guys are going out there like Peyton Manning in college. I'm sure you thought Ryan Leaf was destined for greatness with all your football wisdom. And you had to edit those 17 words for what?

So, come back and troll another one of my posts next year just to remind everyone what a douche you are. And stop sending me those PMs, no I don't want to see you and your golden retriever.

Only thing full of fail was your fuging mom for the 9 months she carried you.

Now, back to a legitimate discussion...

[propagandamachine]

Because - Bradford got all the reps before the season.. unlike clausen with the 1sts and also Bradford didnt step into a situation where a coach is Addicted to throwing to Steve Smith and the rest of the Leauge knows this..

oh its carolina - they are throwing to Steve Smith - Double Smith..

Now I cant wait to see what he does while Spreading out the ball and finally Get Otah and the rest of the Offensive LIne back..

Good Job Clausen.. really really Good job.

I know it wasnt Pretty but youll be better. - Just you watch.

[Jackofalltrades]

You just didn't know much about Bradford, simple as that.

You should have asked someone who's watched the last couple of years rather than assume his numbers were system related.

[Delhommey]

People don't like it when you point out they have done less research than a Disturber sports writer.

[GRWatcher]

Besides what has been said about his development this off season, the one thing everyone is overlooking ..................

Bradford has a vet QB on the sideline and, no matter what you say, that helps. In fact, it's the same QB that was on the sideline last year while Matt Moore played. AJ Feeley

[mick eye]

Bradford is pretty damn good. But he is also been handed the reigns of a struggling team. The only way is up. The Rams have bought into Bradford and are allowing him to be the guy. The Panthers on the other hand are likely telling Clausen to hand the ball off and play it safe. Essentially tying his hands and possibly retarding his development.

As far as WR's and OLINE comparisons. Can the loss of OTAH be under appreciated any more? I mean is it possible? Secondly, someone briefly mentioned that Smitty may make the Rook nervous. I mean Smith has a pretty strong personality. Could he scare Jimmy a little? UM YEAH. DJ, Lefell, and Gettis compared to the Rams young group that has quietly meshed with their young leader is not pretty either. I think Gettis and Jimmy are building chemistry and only gonna get better. Bradford allowed to sling ball and make plays. Clausen handicapped by Jeff Davidson and Fox. Simple as that.

[Proudiddy]

You just didn't know much about Bradford, simple as that.

You should have asked someone who's watched the last couple of years rather than assume his numbers were system related.

Well, that's fine JOAT. But, I had watched him and heard a lot of the talk pre-draft about questions of him coming out of the spread offense and him being injured a lot in college. Last time I checked, the spread offense is a "system." Here is a quote from Bradford regarding that issue, which obviously suggests there was some discussion about his ability to transition to a pro style offense although he did take some snaps from under center.

"People have this misconception that, if you play in the spread (offense), if you play in the shotgun, you don't know how to take a drop," Bradford told reporters at the combine. "I'm very comfortable throwing under center."

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/rams/2010-04-04-rams-sam-bradford-sw-cover_N.htm

I appreciate you being straight-forward, but my problem is this dickbag looks for a way to take jabs at me for no f**king reason. I consider myself a realistic guy, a fairly informed poster, and I think I contribute to the overall quality of this board. I post with substance. So for him to troll my threads just to take little shots like that gets old.

There you said it - I wasn't the MOST informed guy about Bradford, but I don't post about things I have no idea about and I clearly remembered there being some issues about Oklahoma's offense before the draft, as there is with most QBs coming out nowadays. And I even saw other stuff which suggested he was best suited for a West Coast system, so he would still be considered a system QB in that sense... But, the thing is, I can take criticism, and if I mistakenly say/type something, feel free to correct me, let me know what I was wrong about so I can look it up, educate myself and not make that same mistake again. But captain d-bag offers up that quality nugget : OP is full of fail. Awesome... Thanks...

So, I provided some evidence there that there was some talk of being a "system QB." And secondly, about Mark Clayton, I said he "may" have played with him, b/c I wasn't sure. Therefore, I didn't state it as fact. Message boards are comprised a great deal of personal opinions, so I didn't know out of everyone that came to this thread he'd get his panties in a wad over me stating something that "may" have happened but I wasn't definitely sure.

And besides, the issue at hand in this thread wasn't whether Bradford was a system QB or played with Mark Clayton in college (although I'm also sure Clayton never went back there over the summers and worked out with those guys after he was a pro:rolleyes:), it was look at how great Bradford was playing. Even the Rams never made it clear until the day of the draft that they were going to take him IIRC, there were some questions about him, and Suh and McCoy were considered the best overall players by many draft pundits. I was asking people to look at Bradford and Clausen and explain why or how Bradford looks so good, Clausen so-so, and what should our expectations should be of him going forward with that comparison. Are we being realistic?

So, obviously, not being 100% on point about Bradford was a bigger issue, even though I gave him all the credit possible as looking like a legit franchise QB. Smh...

[Proudiddy]

People don't like it when you point out they have done less research than a Disturber sports writer.

Problem is, I pointed out that I didn't look it up and I didn't state it as fact. See my post above to JOAT with the link regarding Bradford. Go google it... There were some concerns about Oklahoma's offense along with the injuries... I know I didn't imagine hearing that before the draft, so there you go.

And second, I didn't say he played with Clayton, I wasn't sure, and searching either of those points weren't conducive to the subject I was addressing.

So, no that's not what people don't like. People don't like a sorry ass excuse for a mod looking for chances to take personal jabs at them whenever they can. Grow up.