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I am no fan of Davidson, I just have to laugh at people on here thinking they could do better. He didn't suddenly get stupid after the 2008 season. The only thing that has changed is the personnel we have to run his offense.

Well, technically I guess you're right. But I think that's just because he was stupid all along. And I've been saying it all along. :)

I don't think any of these guys is as good as they look at times. Consider the moves Childress and Shanahan are making this year. Think either of them look particularly smart? And I know that few of these guys are as bad as they look at times, but Davidson really makes me wonder about that.

The only time Davidson was worth a damn was when Jake was calling out the blocking assignments at the line and making the audibles. That was before Davidson decided to fix his mechanics, of course. To date, his career looks like what you would expect out of someone who gets jobs based more on who they know than what they can do.

Even if he's not completely stupid, he's woefully outclassed in this league. And Mr. Scot, I think he's a guy who's headed back to the world of position coaching before he gets another stint as a coordinator.

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I'm an amateur, and I know it.

I do think it's funny that when Clausen was in, everyone was complaining we didn't run enough screens (granted we actually earned yards on them).

So then Moore comes in and we throw a bunch and they don't work and now Davidson's an idiot for running screens.

I'll say I think he isn't a great coordinator, point out how predictable he is etc, but I'm still an amateur and no, I don't think I can do better than him. But this is a forum, so I'm going to keep voicing my opinion about him anyway.

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Well, technically I guess you're right. But I think that's just because he was stupid all along. And I've been saying it all along. :)

I don't think any of these guys is as good as they look at times. Consider the moves Childress and Shanahan are making this year. Think either of them look particularly smart? And I know that few of these guys are as bad as they look at times, but Davidson really makes me wonder about that.

The only time Davidson was worth a damn was when Jake was calling out the blocking assignments at the line and making the audibles. That was before Davidson decided to fix his mechanics, of course. To date, his career looks like what you would expect out of someone who gets jobs based more on who they know than what they can do.

Even if he's not completely stupid, he's woefully outclassed in this league. And Mr. Scot, I think he's a guy who's headed back to the world of position coaching before he gets another stint as a coordinator.

There is a long line of guys who were average or worse in their first stint as a coordinator or head coach who went on to be good down the road. There has been lots of speculation that suggests that Davidson may not be calling things like he would if left to his own devices. While that is speculation and no one knows for sure how much of that is true, your guy Henning seems to have suddenly improved since he left here.

I wouldn't be surprised if Davidson went back to line coaching, there is surely nothing wrong with that. If he gets into a situation where he can learn a different system it only builds his resume for down the line. And there aren't exactly dozen of OC jobs out there waiting to be handed out.

I don't think that is the negative you make it out to be. In the NFL it happens all the time. Lots of former NFL coaches are working as coordinators until the next opportunity comes along. The same with Fox. He may prefer a coordinator position in a good situation to going to a Buffalo. Hard to say. But Fox will defintely be a HC again that I am pretty sure about. Might not be right away but it will happen.

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Ok P55, you're a student of the game. I've been trying to think of a case, and can't find one where a head coach who lasts longer than his original three year deal and wins more than he loses goes back to being a coordinator. Can you?

I'm sure it's happened, and I know there are tons of coaches like Dom Capers who went three and out twice in the HC job, but who's had more sustained success and done the same?

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All I know is I consider announcers to be one of the least knowledgeable groups when it comes to x's and o's, some former players and coaches being the exception (Beurlein, Gannon, Gruden etc).

When the ANNOUNCER can predict what we're going to do based on formation and personnel, something ain't right.

It happened last sunday, Charles Davis saw us in 3 tight, 1 wide, and 1 back and said "Looks like they're gonna fake the run and pass to the only reciever on the field" (paraphrased of course) and he was right.

Ugh

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Ok P55, you're a student of the game. I've been trying to think of a case, and can't find one where a head coach who lasts longer than his original three year deal and wins more than he loses goes back to being a coordinator. Can you?

I'm sure it's happened, and I know there are tons of coaches like Dom Capers who went three and out twice in the HC job, but who's had more sustained success and done the same?

Given your criteria you are right the list is pretty short. Most HCs who stick around longer than 3 years and have a winning record get another HC job much like Fox will probably get.

Off the top of my head Jim Fassel comes to mind. He coached the Giants from 1997-2003, had a winning record when he left and the following year went to Baltimore as their offensive coordinator for 2 years before being fired by Billick.

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All I know is I consider announcers to be one of the least knowledgeable groups when it comes to x's and o's, some former players and coaches being the exception (Beurlein, Gannon, Gruden etc).

When the ANNOUNCER can predict what we're going to do based on formation and personnel, something ain't right.

It happened last sunday, Charles Davis saw us in 3 tight, 1 wide, and 1 back and said "Looks like they're gonna fake the run and pass to the only reciever on the field" (paraphrased of course) and he was right.

Ugh

I forgot what game it was but it was another game (Giants?) this season where the annoucers were talking about how easy it was to predict our plays based on the formations. Hell I remember an Eagles player pointing out how predictable we are on offense.

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I forgot what game it was but it was another game (Giants?) this season where the annoucers were talking about how easy it was to predict our plays based on the formations. Hell I remember an Eagles player pointing out how predictable we are on offense.

I can't remember which game but I think it was when we ran a play action pass on third and long. Even the announcers were like "who are you gonna fool with that?"

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I can't remember which game but I think it was when we ran a play action pass on third and long. Even the announcers were like "who are you gonna fool with that?"

Oh ok, this was another game because they are talking about how easy it is to look at our formations and know what we are doing.

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