Clausen actually looked like a pro QB today

[mav1234]

He didn't turn it over, which ought to count for something.

He also had more actual drives, and 3rd down conversions, than we've had in a long time.

His completion % is misleading. If you're going to slice and cut portions of play you don't like, can I remove all the dropped balls? By no means was he stellar but he was better than he was in the past.

He's no savior of the franchise, but he's probably the best we have at the moment. No matter how much we rip on him, Matt Moore isn't going to come back.

PS: He got Smith the ball. He missed him on the goal line, yes, but if he and rosario had built even a bit of chemistry that probably would have been a TD anyway; stopping on a route vs continuing on it. Clausen screwed up there.

also fug those last two sneaks, what dumb calls.

[panther4life]

sure it should. it is leaving plays unmade..... A lot of similarities between Anderson/Quinn and Moore/Clausen. Anderson was bad b/c he looked downfield and gambled too often.....Quinn would checkdown. Same thing here in Carolina.

How many times do you think Clausen had time to look downfield and opted to check down instead and ended up missing an open reciever downfield because he checked down?

[CRA]

How many times do you think Clausen had time to look downfield and opted to check down instead and ended up missing an open reciever downfield because he checked down?

I noted several. A checkdown QB always makes a defense looks like it is doing a better job than they really are. There were several where Jimmy checked down opting out.

Jimmy has consistantly done that. With the defensive schemes it just isn't possible those routes are being consistantly shutdown.

[Carl Spackler]

50% completions is "pretty good accuracy" in what way?

Honestly besides the low expectations he has forced us to have with his play earlier in the year, if you look at this game he did literally nothing. Didn't throw for a bunch of yards, didn't "dink and dunk" his way down the field (that requires a high comp. % like Sammy B.) he didn't get us in the endzone, he didn't move us into scoring position (we were mostly already there), and he didn't give us a chance to win.

If he can't put the ball in the endzone given the amount of chances we had today he might not be able to do it again all year unless someone falls down again.

Someone made a thread a long time ago about Octononophobia, the fear of the number 89 and how there is no cure for it, well...the cure has been found.

Ah. Once again, you don't disappoint. I enjoy reading your posts, you're to Matt Moore what Glenn Beck is to the GOP.

I bet the coaches "rated" him better than Moore against STL!

[CRA]

He didn't turn it over, which ought to count for something.

He also had more actual drives, and 3rd down conversions, than we've had in a long time.His completion % is misleading. If you're going to slice and cut portions of play you don't like, can I remove all the dropped balls? By no means was he stellar but he was better than he was in the past.

He's no savior of the franchise, but he's probably the best we have at the moment. No matter how much we rip on him, Matt Moore isn't going to come back.

PS: He got Smith the ball. He missed him on the goal line, yes, but if he and rosario had built even a bit of chemistry that probably would have been a TD anyway; stopping on a route vs continuing on it. Clausen screwed up there.

also f**k those last two sneaks, what dumb calls.

disagree. Clausen really had 2 drives and that was it.

Tampa up 15 and allowing him to move down for his failed sneaks doesn't count for much do to scenario/score.

[panther4life]

Tom Brady and Peyton Manning are arguably the best qb's in the game with 2 of the best offensive playcallers and O-lines.

Peyton 5 has completions of 40 yards or more this season and has attempted 386 passes. Perecentage for him equals 1 out of 77 passes go 40 more.

Brady has 4 after attempting 304 passes. Perecentage wise that equates to 1 out of every 76 passes are 40 or more yards

Clausen has 2 of 40 or more and has only attempted 138 passes, his equal a big play (40 or more yards) out of every 69 passes.

So right now Clausen is averaging a deep pass play more often than 2 of the greatest ever

And Clausen has had to deal with our b.s offensive playcalling and terrible o-line play.

[TheRealDeal]

He didn't turn it over, which ought to count for something.

He also had more actual drives, and 3rd down conversions, than we've had in a long time.

His completion % is misleading. If you're going to slice and cut portions of play you don't like, can I remove all the dropped balls? By no means was he stellar but he was better than he was in the past.

He's no savior of the franchise, but he's probably the best we have at the moment. No matter how much we rip on him, Matt Moore isn't going to come back.

PS: He got Smith the ball. He missed him on the goal line, yes, but if he and rosario had built even a bit of chemistry that probably would have been a TD anyway; stopping on a route vs continuing on it. Clausen screwed up there.

also f**k those last two sneaks, what dumb calls.

So now we're back to the "It's okay if we don't score TDs because he doesn't turn it over" argument? You guys sound like the battered wife/girlfriend "It's okay if he hits me because he doesn't leave bruises."

I'm not slicing or cutting proportions. I'm looking at the game objectively. If we are evaluating him we have to look at how he did. It's not a coincidence that the whole game he's completing 50% of his passes for roughly 6 YPA then all the sudden he's completing 80% of his passes for 9 YPA. Be real. If we aren't down by 2 scores with 2 mins to go that doesn't happen.

Sadly drops have plagued us all year no matter who is at QB so it looks like we are just going to have to get used to that.

No one is talking about Moore, stop bringing him up.

I guess 3 catches for 47 yard is getting the ball to your best player on offense. It's better than he's done all year but still not enough.

You say he had more drives. He had one drive over 50 yards and it resulted in a FG. Is that what you look for? Sure 1 is more than 0 but come on.

[TheRealDeal]

Tom Brady and Peyton Manning are arguably the best qb's in the game with 2 of the best offensive playcallers and O-lines.

Peyton 5 has completions of 40 yards or more this season and has attempted 386 passes. Perecentage for him equals 1 out of 77 passes go 40 more.

Brady has 4 after attempting 304 passes. Perecentage wise that equates to 1 out of every 76 passes are 40 or more yards

Clausen has 2 of 40 or more and has only attempted 138 passes, his equal a big play (40 or more yards) out of every 69 passes.

So right now Clausen is averaging a deep pass play more often than 2 of the greatest ever

And Clausen has had to deal with our b.s offensive playcalling and terrible o-line play.

Compare how often they throw TD passes.

[CatMan72]

"TheRealDeal" blindly hates Clausen folks, don't waste your time...

[TheRealDeal]

Ah. Once again, you don't disappoint. I enjoy reading your posts, you're to Matt Moore what Glenn Beck is to the GOP.

I bet the coaches "rated" him better than Moore against STL!

Can't debate the two posts I've made giving observations so you come with some wannabe-funny comment. Congrats?

Please, tell me how when Clausen has 90+ yards rushing he has this amazing QB rating and he's a stud and blah blah blah. Tell me how the defense and ST tried to help him out but he did nothing with it. Go ahead, think of a funny comment because you can't have a real discussion and me and Mav will continue to debate our opposing views.

[panther4life]

So now we're back to the "It's okay if we don't score TDs because he doesn't turn it over" argument? You guys sound like the battered wife/girlfriend "It's okay if he hits me because he doesn't leave bruises."

I'm not slicing or cutting proportions. I'm looking at the game objectively. If we are evaluating him we have to look at how he did. It's not a coincidence that the whole game he's completing 50% of his passes for roughly 6 YPA then all the sudden he's completing 80% of his passes for 9 YPA. Be real. If we aren't down by 2 scores with 2 mins to go that doesn't happen. Sadly drops have plagued us all year no matter who is at QB so it looks like we are just going to have to get used to that.

No one is talking about Moore, stop bringing him up.

I guess 3 catches for 47 yard is getting the ball to your best player on offense. It's better than he's done all year but still not enough.

You say he had more drives. He had one drive over 50 yards and it resulted in a FG. Is that what you look for? Sure 1 is more than 0 but come on.

The reason for that goes back to the answer for most our our failures.

John Fox. He doesent start acting like he wants to win until its too late.

This is why Delhomme was the comeback king,well that and he had Smitty in his prime and a damn good supporting cast

[CatMan72]

Clausen is developing, Moore was regressing, I'll take Clausen.

[TheRealDeal]

"TheRealDeal" blindly hates Clausen folks, don't waste your time...

Blindly? Please join the discussion if you will but I've only provided facts.

[Carl Spackler]

"TheRealDeal" blindly hates Clausen folks, don't waste your time...

This right here. He passes his homerism off as "objective argument," when it's garbage.

Seriously TRD, your failure to do anything but criticize him shows the world how you're a blind hater.