Gettis and LaFell

[MHS831]

Gettis ran a 4.39--I think Goodson was a 4.45, but I am going from memory

[Stumpy]

For pure straight line speed, Gettis is faster: Gettis 40 time: 4.39-4.47 and Goodson 40 Time: 4.43-4.54 As far as pads on football speed, just from my own eyes, I would have to go with Goodson.

[chef17]

Not necessarily. Some QBs have faster ball rotations, the nose drops on deep balls, the ball might arrive a half second sooner out of cuts. Some throw it harder than others. Some WRs trust the QB to throw them open while other QBs hang them out to dry. Please think before you criticize. I played WR in college and we had about 8 QBs. each was different, and we knew it.

Too bad I didn't criticize. Yes playing with different QBs changes things, but like I said, once the ball hits the WR hands it is his job to catch it. I know some QBs throw harder and faster than others, I don't think that excuses the WR if the ball touches his hands. I played in high school with different QBs, if the ball hit our hands we were expected to catch it. Doesn't matter how different the ball was thrown. I would expect the same thing from an NFL WR.

[pstall]

i feel very good about these two.

[philp]

i can return kicks for touchdowns on madden now

[MHS831]

Too bad I didn't criticize. Yes playing with different QBs changes things, but like I said, once the ball hits the WR hands it is his job to catch it. I know some QBs throw harder and faster than others, I don't think that excuses the WR if the ball touches his hands. I played in high school with different QBs, if the ball hit our hands we were expected to catch it. Doesn't matter how different the ball was thrown. I would expect the same thing from an NFL WR.

Actually, when you are running routes and reading defenses with the qbs, there is a link where they have to be on the same page. If the ball hits you in the hands but the WR is going over the middle and it is high and the QB has a rep for hanging out the WR, fewer balls are caught and expected to be caught. The Rah Rah approach you endorse is technically correct, but if you factor in longevity, the threat injury has on career length and income potential, etc., it creates a different dynamic that must be considered. The QB is not only to hit the WRs in the hands, but do so without getting them killed. In addition, a QB who rushes a throw and hits the WR early in his route to avoid pressure cannot expect as many balls to be caught. Yes, a WR should catch the ball--everyone knows that--if it hits them in the hands, but that does not happen. Why does it not happen? Because there are many variables that decrease the probablilty of catching the ball. Now, if I expect the ball on the third step out of my cut because that is what we practice all week and it arrives on the second step, I should technically catch it. If the ball comes in high and I know I have not cleared the linebackers' zone yet, the thought of decapitation overcomes the fundamentals of catching a football. Balls are dropped. Yes, it is the WR responsibility to catch the ball and he should catch it if it hits his hands. My point is that if the timing is not right, and the QB cannot be trusted, then more balls are dropped and it cannot always be blamed on the WR. I played against safeties who were months away from starting gigs in the NFL. They were head hunters. If my QB was more interested in saving his ass than mine, if he had a rep for hanging you out, it breaks your concentration and lowers the liklihood that you will catch the pass. That is reality.

[Raskle]

I like em both enough to believe that whoever is coaching us next year should retain the services of Tolbert, along with a few other select coaches.

[bigjohn]

Gettis, LaFell, AND Smith will do well next year with Luck

On top of everything else, we need LOTS of luck.

[chef17]

Actually, when you are running routes and reading defenses with the qbs, there is a link where they have to be on the same page. If the ball hits you in the hands but the WR is going over the middle and it is high and the QB has a rep for hanging out the WR, fewer balls are caught and expected to be caught. The Rah Rah approach you endorse is technically correct, but if you factor in longevity, the threat injury has on career length and income potential, etc., it creates a different dynamic that must be considered. The QB is not only to hit the WRs in the hands, but do so without getting them killed. In addition, a QB who rushes a throw and hits the WR early in his route to avoid pressure cannot expect as many balls to be caught. Yes, a WR should catch the ball--everyone knows that--if it hits them in the hands, but that does not happen. Why does it not happen? Because there are many variables that decrease the probablilty of catching the ball. Now, if I expect the ball on the third step out of my cut because that is what we practice all week and it arrives on the second step, I should technically catch it. If the ball comes in high and I know I have not cleared the linebackers' zone yet, the thought of decapitation overcomes the fundamentals of catching a football. Balls are dropped. Yes, it is the WR responsibility to catch the ball and he should catch it if it hits his hands. My point is that if the timing is not right, and the QB cannot be trusted, then more balls are dropped and it cannot always be blamed on the WR. I played against safeties who were months away from starting gigs in the NFL. They were head hunters. If my QB was more interested in saving his ass than mine, if he had a rep for hanging you out, it breaks your concentration and lowers the liklihood that you will catch the pass. That is reality.

But in this case none of this is happening. Lafell isn't being hung out to dry, he simply drops them. That was my point. The drops that I have seen, have just been dropped. They weren't because of the QB, they were catchable balls that hit him in the hands and he dropped them. So I disagree with your point that Lafell needs consistency at QB. From what I have seen, he just needs better catching.