Wanting the team to lose is actually a great attitude

[SorthNarolina]

I'm not going to do it but I don't question the fandom of anybody anymore about it. If you think they aren't fans then what do you think of JR?

JR made decisions that were detrimental to the ability of the football team, but beneficial for the long term.

Wanting to lose out in order to get a possible long term solution at QB is therefore a fine attitude to take.

It's not like the fans taking this attitude will affect the players either unless you believe in voodoo mindwaves and all that.

There is one scenario that could cause this to asplode.

Andrew Luck doesn't declare so the #1 pick is seen more as an inconvenience than a blessing. Then you have a 1-15 team with no late season wins to build upon. Blech.

[Brooklyn Bully]

I'm not going to do it but I don't question the fandom of anybody anymore about it. If you think they aren't fans then what do you think of JR?

JR made decisions that were detrimental to the ability of the football team, but beneficial for the long term.

Wanting to lose out in order to get a possible long term solution at QB is therefore a fine attitude to take.

It's not like the fans taking this attitude will affect the players either unless you believe in voodoo mindwaves and all that.

There is one scenario that could cause this to asplode.

Andrew Luck doesn't declare so the #1 pick is seen more as an inconvenience than a blessing. Then you have a 1-15 team with no late season wins to build upon. Blech.

I think the whole "you aren't a true fan if you root for them to lose" thing is a misconception of a few people. Nobody is rooting for them to lose. But most everyone understands that it will help the team more, if we continue to lose.

Saying you're a better fan, because you'd rather see us win a few more games (which does nothing in return...at all) than get the number one pick (to use or trade for more picks), is simply obtuse. On the other side of the coin, I think maybe it's even just one or two posters that have come out and said they're rooting for a loss, which in turn let's the people I speak of run with it and act like it's a rampant thing here. It's not.

We all love our Panthers. But we should all understand what is best. I'd go as far as to say, if you're rooting for wins, you're not as smart of a fan as the rest. You may have more spirit, but you don't have a clue. The rest just watch the game. If we win, we win. If we lose, we lose. If great things happen, we cheer. If things go poorly, we're used to it. But we know what's best for this team and we know what needs to happen.

But ROOTING for a loss? That's where things are getting blown out of proportion.

[nosuchthingasapanther]

wanting to lose out to get a particular player is retarded...especially if moves aren't made to insure that that player will be successful.

[Cat'sGrowl]

I don't want us to lose. I want us to win out. I just want Cincy, Buffalo, and Detroit to win out as well.

I just want one more win this season at least, really.

I don't wanna go 1-15, again..

[Swamp Cat]

Yeah, I want a great first pick. But as we all know, one player does not a team make. It takes time. Yes, this year has been unbearable. If we ever get the killer instinct again, that might be the difference. Just my worthless opinion...nothing else.

We saw what the coaching change in Dallas did. Who knows?

[Mr. Scot]

I'm not going to do it but I don't question the fandom of anybody anymore about it. If you think they aren't fans then what do you think of JR?

JR made decisions that were detrimental to the ability of the football team, but beneficial for the long term.

Wanting to lose out in order to get a possible long term solution at QB is therefore a fine attitude to take.

It's not like the fans taking this attitude will affect the players either unless you believe in voodoo mindwaves and all that.

There is one scenario that could cause this to asplode.

Andrew Luck doesn't declare so the #1 pick is seen more as an inconvenience than a blessing. Then you have a 1-15 team with no late season wins to build upon. Blech.

Hadn't thought of it that way, but actually a fairly valid point.

I still have trouble with the notion of wanting the team to lose though

[MaineManPanther]

Ill take it a step further for arguments sake. If you were out of the playoffs, and you knew the number one player would make your team a much better team then any other

1st round pick, why would it be bad to root for your team to lose? Not quit or not progress, but simply lose.

In that senario, your reasoning would be under you want what's best for the team.

[Brooklyn Bully]

If Luck isn't there, trade the pick. Then you still get a 1st, and most likely a 2nd...which we don't have. We need some serious work on this team. Having more picks, or the best pick, can only be beneficial. Having a pick in the 4-6 range, and no 2nd Rounder, is not as beneficial. Swallow your "pride" and look at the big picture. Supposedly that's what JR did this year.

[Dpantherman]

i will not root against the team. those that do so, who cares, its their right, I just won't do it. Do I want the #1 pick? hell yes, will I root for losses? hell no.

[nosuchthingasapanther]

If Luck isn't there, trade the pick. Then you still get a 1st, and most likely a 2nd...which we don't have. We need some serious work on this team. Having more picks, or the best pick, can only be beneficial. Having a pick in the 4-6 range, and no 2nd Rounder, is not as beneficial. Swallow your "pride" and look at the big picture. Supposedly that's what JR did this year.

the big picture is the team needs more than one player.

dt is just as desperately needed as qb.

the fact is...more picks is a bigger priority than the number 1 overall.

[Brooklyn Bully]

the big picture is the team needs more than one player.

dt is just as desperately needed as qb.

the fact is...more picks is a bigger priority than the number 1 overall.

Yep. But we have to get the #1 pick in order to trade it. It can work wonders no matter how you slice it.

[MaineManPanther]

Yep. But we have to get the #1 pick in order to trade it. It can work wonders no matter how you slice it.

You could make the argument that theres a chance you wouldnt be able to.

From my memory the number one pick has only been traded twice this past decade. And one of them was because of the whole Eli Manning vs SD ordeal.

[Mr. Scot]

These days, a franchise QB is becoming more and more of a necessity than a luxury.

[rayzor]

These days, a franchise QB is becoming more and more of a necessity than a luxury.

agreed, though i would also add that it doesn't mean that we need to ditch the run game or that it has become obsolete. while the old "run the ball, stop the run" philosophy has become archaic, teams that do well have both a solid passing game and run game. they have found balance. the run game is fine and will only be made better by us bringing in a better QB. all elements of the game will improve with that upgrade.

the way it's shaping up, the NFCS is incredibly underrated and could very well be the dominant division in the NFC for years. it isn't too far from being better than the NFCE and according to the standings, is better. the only thing that is going to be holding it back is the panthers until they can catch up in the QB department.