How many wins did the 'Youth Movement' cost?

[ncbobcat]

We always say hindsight is 20/20, but as bad as the cliche' is we all still love to do it. Let's say Moose, Jake, Hoover, Vincent, Lewis, Diggs etc... were retained one more year to see what they had (Fox over Richardson)--what would our record have been or at least capable of being? This is still considering the injuries to Davis, Otah and Williams assuming the injuries would have occured anyway.

I say we may have been 7-9 or 8-8. I seriously doubt we made the playoffs, BUT this season wouldn't have been as painful as it turned out to be. Still, this was an easy schedule as many saw before the season and turned out to be. I say we would have swept the NFCW and won at least two divisional games. Cincy and the Browns may had been wins too.

Hey, this beats another Clausen or draft pick thread.

[jarhead]

Dont forget we paid Jake 12 million to play with another team.

[Squirrel]

7-9

[Mr. Scot]

Flipside question: With us being in a better cap position, having a high draft pick and a new coach, how many wins do we get going forward?

If it turns out to be a lot, and it could, I won't give a flying rip about this past season.

[KSpan]

Without a change in offensive line play, maybe 4-12.

[ncbobcat]

Flipside question: With us being in a better cap position, having a high draft pick and a new coach, how many wins do we get going forward?

If it turns out to be a lot, and it could, I won't give a flying rip about this past season.

True and I thought of that too. I mean look what happened shortly after the Siefert era. A new staff and a high draft pick turned things around quickly.

As far as the cap, it really doesn't matter becasue it is JR that wants to build through the draft and chooses to stay out of the FA market unless it's for cheap placemarkers. So as long as we aren't in any danger of exceeding the cap (which is unlikely for years now), having the most cap space in the league is only a moral victory.

[Mr. Scot]

Oh, I think we'll sign some veterans this year.

Not necessarily big names mind you, but guys who are smart and known to be leaders and mentors.

[Big Ed]

4-6 more wins maybe ,but still not in playoffs and still not seeing rookies get more playing time

Question

How much playing time did all the cut vets get ?

Most never played again ,were hurt or did not contribute that much to their new team

Most were very short term solutions at best

[MattB]

Pretty much the same I'd say. It wasn't so much the purging of vets that hurt us more the failure to replace them with better talent.

[riddel]

Flipside question: With us being in a better cap position, having a high draft pick and a new coach, how many wins do we get going forward?

If it turns out to be a lot, and it could, I won't give a flying rip about this past season.

I don't really know why more people don't realize this, but 2010 was uncapped. We could have purchased the best available players in the league, (Jets, Ravens, Bears) or picked up off waivers some great vets (Seattle) and made the playoffs this year. As far as I'm concerned, the Bears are in the playoffs because of the Panther's vets.

Instead, Richardson cut bait and packed up his gear.

Had we kept the vets and paid for free agents, we could have been in the playoffs.

[janderson20vt]

Who cares? The season is over. Lets move on!

[Mr. Scot]

I don't really know why more people don't realize this, but 2010 was uncapped. We could have purchased the best available players in the league, (Jets, Ravens, Bears) or picked up off waivers some great vets (Seattle) and made the playoffs this year. As far as I'm concerned, the Bears are in the playoffs because of the Panther's vets.

Instead, Richardson cut bait and packed up his gear.

Had we kept the vets and paid for free agents, we could have been in the playoffs.

And that gets us what? One great year? What happens the next year if there's a cap again?

Looking at age and ability, how many of the guys the Panthers cut were actually worth what they were making?

[Happy Panther]

I predicted 6-10 and I am usually spot on with these things

[ncbobcat]

Who cares? The season is over. Lets move on!

That's the point , reflecting on a horrible season and what went wrong. As I mentioned, we could start 10 more Clausen or draft threads. The NFL offseason isn't even here yet and some are acting like it is. Crap, this weekend is just divisional round of the playoffs.

Getting back on topic, here's another thought. If we went somewhere between 6-10 and say 9-7, there would be more room for deal making when the draft does roll around. Trading for the #1 pick is REALLY rich for teams that aren't SOLD on the notion there's a perinnial Pro Bowler/future HOFer sitting there.

Being a top 5 draft team hasn't done some clubs like Detroit very good. Look what we did in the Stewart/Otah razzle dazzle.