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Cam Newton Public Workout

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So we don't have time to develop a rookie QB, but we're gonna be fine with joe scrub the 34yr old veteran and JC? How does that move things along faster? Cam could easily be head and shoulders better than JC in one year, or maybe sooner. Hell, he's probably a better option than JC right now, regardless of what issues he has.

Who said anything about a 34 yo scrub?

However, if that scenario did come to fruition you would think they had proven, at some level, that they can play at this level.

I just don't see a QB when I see Newton. JC had a bad year in a bad situation. Do I like him? Meh, didn't want him at draft and I don't want him now, but I think his chances for success are infinitely higher than Cam's.

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I want QB's who can stand in the pocket and throw, not outrun everyone.

Our QBs historically cant do either. We've lost more games than we've won behind QBs who have 0 athleticism and rely on their arms solely. The only thing that gets you is #1 in interceptions and sacks. And why would you not want a QB that can outrun a defender if need be? QBs that stand still are at the mercy of their protection and easy targets for today's defenses. These guys today are just too fast, too nimble, too strong. Thats why they're putting in all these rule changes to help out offense. Unless you have a top notch 0 line, a strict pocket passer isnt gonna get you far. Today, the most successful QBs generally are those that have an ability to make plays on the move and have that mobility to stretch plays and improvise. Tom Brady and Peyton Manning are top flight QBs, but they didnt win a single playoff game this year. But mobile guys like Mark Sanchez, Aaron Rodgers, Ben Roethlisberger have had success in the dance.

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Now then, what will you do if he's a bust?

Ill say Cam is a bust. Lucky for Cam, the standard and standards for QBing are so low here in Carolina that its gonna be very hard for him to be a bust. His sheer talent alone is gonna give him an edge that our guys we got now just dont have. People that are successful dont quell on failure, they dont fear that. I damn sure dont fear Cam Newton being a bust for us if that is what you're asking me. Look, even if we're arrogant enough to pass on him, dont delude yourself into thinking he's gonna last thru the first 10 picks. I dont think he makes it past 5. This kid is gonna be special.

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Who said anything about a 34 yo scrub?

However, if that scenario did come to fruition you would think they had proven, at some level, that they can play at this level.

I just don't see a QB when I see Newton. JC had a bad year in a bad situation. Do I like him? Meh, didn't want him at draft and I don't want him now, but I think his chances for success are infinitely higher than Cam's.

Based on what, exactly? Once again, the only things that would hold Cam back are an inability to learn or an unwillingness to work, and I haven't seen one scrap of evidence that either one of those things are probable. In fact, the reason he's having this workout in the first place is to prove that he has already been doing both. Why would him and his coach want to do that if he hasn't made some very good progress already. That wouldn't make one bit of sense.

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I do have to laugh when I read that people think that Clausen will be more successful than Newton. Obviously the failure of Russell and Young have jaded people to the positives that athletic quarterbacks give you. Most people forget that Vince Young was a probowler his rookie year and again last year. He is very athletic and a great talent with a psyche fragile as glass. Without that, Young would be a dominant Qb in the NFL just like Cam will be in a few years. Unfortunately I doubt we will select him. Seems we still like Pickles too much.

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Ill say Cam is a bust. Lucky for Cam, the standard and standards for QBing are so low here in Carolina that its gonna be very hard for him to be a bust. His sheer talent alone is gonna give him an edge that our guys we got now just dont have. People that are successful dont quell on failure, they dont fear that. I damn sure dont fear Cam Newton being a bust for us if that is what you're asking me. Look, even if we're arrogant enough to pass on him, dont delude yourself into thinking he's gonna last thru the first 10 picks. I dont think he makes it past 5. This kid is gonna be special.
i really don't think he'll make it past buffalo.
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Ill say Cam is a bust. Lucky for Cam, the standard and standards for QBing are so low here in Carolina that its gonna be very hard for him to be a bust. His sheer talent alone is gonna give him an edge that our guys we got now just dont have. People that are successful dont quell on failure, they dont fear that. I damn sure dont fear Cam Newton being a bust for us if that is what you're asking me. Look, even if we're arrogant enough to pass on him, dont delude yourself into thinking he's gonna last thru the first 10 picks. I dont think he makes it past 5. This kid is gonna be special.

I'm just wondering why you chastise people for "knowing" Cam will be a bust, then turn around & claim you "know" he's gonna be great. Neither is true.

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I'm just wondering why you chastise people for "knowing" Cam will be a bust, then turn around & claim you "know" he's gonna be great. Neither is true.

I chastise the double standards and people moving the goalposts up and back based on skin color when it comes to QB. Our team and fanbase is like a case study on that. Scientists and sociologists could study us.

Why do you ponder "failure" so much with Cam? Didnt you just witness "failure" with Moore and Clausen this past season? 9 TDs in 16 games is not even NFL level. We all should want better than that. For ourselves, for our team, for our children. Thats pathetic. We are at the bottom of the barrel, and people want us to stay down here and hope for miracles down the road. Panther fans need to stop being afraid of being successful and winning. Stop running from expectations. People are afraid of 1st round QBs because they are afraid of the expectations and visibility that comes with them. Lets stop being cowards afraid of standing firm behind an IDENTITY.

Cam Newton is a 1st round QB, Jimmy Clausen was not. He slid down to us for a reason. The Panthers have only drafted 1 1st round QB in their history (16 years ago). And ironically, he's the only one still working in the NFL today. :lol: Why is it so insane to believe a guy with Cam's talent who has won everything is gonna produce at the next level? Why is it insane to believe that a 1st round Cam can beat out 2nd round Jimmy RIGHT NOW for the job of Panthers starting QB?

BBQ&Beer who do you think is gonna lead us next season at QB? Who's the guy thats gonna sell tickets for us next season and the season after that as our "face"? Meaning the guy who will compete with the Matt Ryans, the Josh Freemans, the Drew Brees' for years to come! Who? Who is the guy that is gonna excite this fanbase and set himself as one of the best QBs in this league? Answer me that.

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I chastise the double standards and people moving the goalposts up and back based on skin color when it comes to QB. Our team and fanbase is like a case study on that. Scientists and sociologists could study us.

So basically you project a lot.

Why do you ponder "failure" so much with Cam? Didnt you just witness "failure" with Moore and Clausen this past season? 9 TDs in 16 games is not even NFL level. We all should want better than that. For ourselves, for our team, for our children. Thats pathetic. We are at the bottom of the barrel, and people want us to stay down here and hope for miracles down the road. Panther fans need to stop being afraid of being successful and winning. Stop running from expectations. People are afraid of 1st round QBs because they are afraid of the expectations and visibility that comes with them. Lets stop being cowards afraid of standing firm behind an IDENTITY.

Asking YOU one question is pondering failure with Cam "so much"? Not wanting to draft Newton isn't being afraid of success.

Cam Newton is a 1st round QB, Jimmy Clausen was not. He slid down to us for a reason. The Panthers have only drafted 1 1st round QB in their history (16 years ago). And ironically, he's the only one still working in the NFL today. :lol: Why is it so insane to believe a guy with Cam's talent who has won everything is gonna produce at the next level? Why is it insane to believe that a 1st round Cam can beat out 2nd round Jimmy RIGHT NOW for the job of Panthers starting QB?

It's not, neither is being skeptical of Newton's style translating to the NFL.

BBQ&Beer who do you think is gonna lead us next season at QB? Who's the guy thats gonna sell tickets for us next season and the season after that as our "face"? Meaning the guy who will compete with the Matt Ryans, the Josh Freemans, the Drew Brees' for years to come! Who? Who is the guy that is gonna excite this fanbase and set himself as one of the best QBs in this league? Answer me that.

I have no idea. Colud be Cam, could be someone we draft next year, could Clausen or a FA. The reason i don't know is the same reason I'm not in an NFL FO. What's your job again?

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So basically you project a lot.

It would be the easiest case study in the world. All we have to do is look at how this fanbase and this board reacted to Andrew Luck coming out and how this fanbase and board reacted to Cam Newton coming out. Its like night & day. 2 different tones, 2 different reactions. One guy has won everything, is bigger, stronger, and faster, the other hasnt won anything but is a lot more marketable to our demographic. I dont think anyone can argue that.

Asking YOU one question is pondering failure with Cam "so much"? Not wanting to draft Newton isn't being afraid of success.

Well that one question is what if Cam is a bust? What is Fairley is a bust? What is Green is a bust? And implying I'll blame that failure on racism so we shouldnt bother is pretty self serving. Do I blame Clausen's failure on racism? Am I the one begging us to give him a million chances just cause, even though he hasnt proven worthy of them? Am I the one asking us to hang our new coach by putting the burden of Clausen on him? Im one of the few people on this board who actually holds QBs accountable and doesnt just "hope for the best" all the time.

It's not, neither is being skeptical of Newton's style translating to the NFL.

How does being 6'6 250 lbs running a 4.5 with a big arm not translate to the NFL? Im more skeptical of 6'2 220 lbs QBs that dont go downfield, they cant get along with teammates, and cant escape pressure. That "style" if you will, wins you about 1 game a season. And its been proven in our system in our franchise helps make you one of the worst NFL teams.

I have no idea. Colud be Cam, could be someone we draft next year, could Clausen or a FA. The reason i don't know is the same reason I'm not in an NFL FO. What's your job again?

Well since the prospect of Cam being a bust loomed so large with you, I at least thought you could throw me a name of who's gonna carry us the next 3-4 years. I see I was hoping for too much, you have no idea, no clue who that is, just feel Cam isnt that guy. Gotcha.

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