Both Sides finally meeting regarding CBA

[Highlandfire]

Well that is good news on my birthday

[Jackofalltrades]

Well that is good news on my birthday

Happy Bday.

[Montsta]

Owners give up the 18 game season proposal and agree to provide some level of healthcare for a finite and specified time after a player leaves the league (maybe 5 year max...based on time in the league)

Players agree to a lower sharing %.

Both agree to Rookie Cap.

DONE.

I think those are all good ideas, but I think (and I could very well be mistaken) that one of the issues that they are kind of at an impasse on is the fact that a lot of the issues players develop from a medical standpoint don't surface until many years after they have left the league. For instance, a guy might play in the league 8 years, retire at 30, get medical benefits until 35, and not show signs of alzheimers(sp?) or some other problem stemming from multiple concussions until 40-45. I think that is where there is some heavy gray area. Can anyone clarify this?

[chknwing]

well its hard to attribute later illnesses to the fact you played football and not genetics, etc.

[SorthNarolina]

well its hard to attribute later illnesses to the fact you played football and not genetics, etc.

depends. Only the guys that put in serious time should get the benefit of a doubt.

[Jackofalltrades]

depends. Only the guys that put in serious time should get the benefit of a doubt.

This is a tricky issue to me. I do think they deserve insurance, particularly your vested vets, but with the money they make why can't they pay for cvg themselves?

Also, what about a group plan?

Move the vesting time from 3 to 5 years.

Just some ideas, but I don't get why it's such a huge issue that's taken this long to resolve. Apply a rookie cap, take some of that money towards health cvg.

[The Saltman]

It's taking so long because the owners want more money and the players don't want to reduce their piece of the pie.

[Jackofalltrades]

It's taking so long because the owners want more money and the players don't want to reduce their piece of the pie.

They all lose with a lock out.

[The Saltman]

Thus the dilemma.

[Snake]

They all lose with a lock out.

Well really the players lose more than anyone because of there leaders tactics. If the owners lock out D.Smith will use litigation to try to force the owners hands. That could take 2 years in court. Lawyers are really not constrained by time but the players are. They are use to a life style and that life style cost money.

I think the players and Fans want this deal to be done more then the reps do.

[Jackofalltrades]

Thus the dilemma.

We need to get you a Nick Flair sig.

[Davis83]

Healthcare beyond employment should be a 2 way street holding both parties somewhat accountable.

Open a group plan:

employee is covered for free while employed

Family gets coverage by paying premiums thru employee's withholding.

Once you are no longer employed by that employer, you can purchase insurance in the group plan at predetermined rate.

Isn't this basically what all employer provided healthcare plans involve?

I know they are more at risk than most people, but not many employers - other than US Military - provide any medical coverage beyond employment. The players should shoulder some of the financial burden for medical coverage beyond employment - they make big $$$$$.

[Mr. Scot]

We need to get you a Nick Flair sig.

Surprised nobody's photoshopped Fairley into one of Ric's robes yet

[The Saltman]

We need to get you a Nick Flair sig.

no.