Here's a new Jimmy C question for you

[rayzor]

If he is the best guy we have in the preseason we don't really have any other options. We have to put the best guy out there and try to be competitive. Honestly if he is the best guy out there one of 2 things is happening. We either didn't bring in anyone else worth a darn (which I doubt happens), or he is playing a heck of a lot better which is a good thing. Of course we want Clausen to be excellent going forward, I just wouldn't be putting all my eggs in that basket.

agreed with all of that. i hope he can pull it off, but i'm not counting in it. the team needs to be working on finding the next guy if this guy doesn't work out. one thing i totally believe is that they don't need to be messing around with mr. inbetween guy. start the guy who gives us the best chance to win long term.

[CRA]

I agree with Rayzor let him and a FA battle in TC for the job. If he loses he sits but if he wins the job in TC their is no reason he should sit out a year.

oh, well I 100% want the best guy to start. I just don't see Rivera having a depth chart that Clausen can legitimately come out as the #1 in a battle. Maybe he will prove me wrong....but the Matt Moore's of the league look like they would beat him.

[rayzor]

oh, well I 100% want the best guy to start. I just don't see Rivera having a depth chart that Clausen can legitimately come out as the #1 in a battle. Maybe he will prove me wrong....but the Matt Moore's of the league look like they would beat him.

maybe, but 9 times out of 10 the matt moores of the league are backups for a reason. i still believe that clausen has a whole lot more upside than moore. i don't see moore as being much more than we saw in '09.

[RSXNova]

Well if Jimmy tried to throw anybody under the bus it would probably be intercepted /trolling

Thats Delhomme. Jimmy would throw them to the sidelines.

[CRA]

maybe, but 9 times out of 10 the matt moores of the league are backups for a reason. i still believe that clausen has a whole lot more upside than moore. i don't see moore as being much more than we saw in '09.

true, they are backups for a reason. I don't think Moore was that different in 2010 than 2009 really. You give Moore consistant starts and he is gonna win some games and look awful in some. With that type QB you get highs and lows.

I guess I just don't see where this Clausen upside people keep talking is coming from.......I mean if he played bad as a rookie but had a rocket arm, mobility, Tebowish leadership, great height and size or something along those lines to inspire hope I could get that type line thrown about. Everything about Clausen just seems very pedestrian.....at least that has been shown.

[Icege]

I'm part of the crowd that believes that most rookies need at least 3 seasons in to accurately be assessed. Part of the disappointment associated with Clausen was that he was supposed to be the QB that was most ready to hit the ground running.

There's been plenty of reasons for the failure. Just as much as his as was his surroundings.

This is a football team and a business though, not a microwave. We ultimately don't decide the direction the team goes, the company does. While there are some on the board with "football smarts" or "business smarts" or "nail salon smarts," there's a reason we're posting opinions and raging on a message board instead of throwing together contracts or trying to look off safeties.

We'll make sure to show them how witty and right we are by trolling players on Twitter, spitting venom at one another over different opinions, and making an ass out of ourselves in general

[rayzor]

true, they are backups for a reason. I don't think Moore was that different in 2010 than 2009 really. You give Moore consistant starts and he is gonna win some games and look awful in some. With that type QB you get highs and lows.

I guess I just don't see where this Clausen upside people keep talking is coming from.......I mean if he played bad as a rookie but had a rocket arm, mobility, Tebowish leadership, great height and size or something along those lines to inspire hope I could get that type line thrown about. Everything about Clausen just seems very pedestrian.....at least that has been shown.

it's got more to do with the skill set and the work he put into becoming a QB early on. he's got a lot to work with. his problems has been what's going on between his ears. if the game slows down for him and he can settle down in the pocket, he'll do a lot better.

i'm really hoping that we see the difference from year 1 to year 2 that was seen from year 1 to year 2 at ND.

[CRA]

it's got more to do with the skill set and the work he put into becoming a QB early on. he's got a lot to work with. his problems has been what's going on between his ears. if the game slows down for him and he can settle down in the pocket, he'll do a lot better.

i'm really hoping that we see the difference from year 1 to year 2 that was seen from year 1 to year 2 at ND.

I get the hardwork aspect and agree with that. I think he is a hardworker. That is key, especially at that position. That is something I worry about when people talk about the Cam Newton's of the world who have so much physical talent they rely on will playing the position.

it is the skill set part I don't get. Nothing imo stands out. Guys who succeed at this level normally have one if not a few physical traits or intangibles that standout while they develop

I don't like Clausen....but I probably disliked what Fox/Davidson did more than that....so he has that going for him I guess.

[MaxiMus]

I think it is funny how many people still believe Clausen has a chance to start here next season. It's not that he lost a lot of games. Panthers were not a good football team. It is what he did, or did not do when he was on the field. No arm strength, no accuracy, bailing out of perfect pockets to throw from, never taking shots down field or in the middle of field. Threw way too many balls out of bounds. He had no balls. That says a lot about a QB. Showing up his recievers on the field when they ran the wrong route.

He will barely exist in camp. The Panthers will re-sign Moore to compete with another FA

QB and may the best man win. Much to the dismay of many, Moore is the favorite going in. Not too many FA's that will beat him out at camp. He really is as good as what we saw in 09. The season went to crap in the 4th qtr of Bucs game when he was benched for JC. That was the beginning of the end for the 2010 Panthers. Pike will be the odd man out when final cuts are made and JC will find himself as a 3rd string emergency QB next season.

With that said, I will reply to original posted question. I have sources that tell me that he was a spoiled, crybaby, prima donna California boy. And many people on the team did not care much for him. One example was that when he was told that Moore would be starting vs 49ers, he had a temper tantrum, blamed it ALL on his receivers, then stormed out of the QB meeting room. It's no wonder why Steve Smith didnt like him.

[Delhommey]

really, people still keep young potential franchise QBs on the bench?

is it still 1984?

Raging Bull still making QB related comments after championing Nate Davis and the fact Carolina would never use a high pick on a signal caller?

Really? Is Aaron Rodgers playing in the Super Bowl?

[rayzor]

Raging Bull still making QB related comments after championing Nate Davis and the fact Carolina would never use a high pick on a signal caller?

Really? Is Aaron Rodgers playing in the Super Bowl?

rodgers had a good franchise QB entrenched into the job ahead of him. unless there is a well entrenched solid QB on the team already, the young guy should be starting. there is no reason to keep him off the field. rodgers situation is more the exception anymore.

[SPANKY]

Maybe we need to hang on to the hope we have a franchise guy on the roster now. Do I think we have that guy now, no. I do agree with you Max about bringing in Clausen too soon. But that has to fall in the lap of our FORMER head coach. Moore never should've been pulled unless for injury. I think Fox was angry the way Delhomme was let go and was rushing Jimmy due to the fact he might have resented Moore for showing he could be a decent QB. It must have been hard for Moore, knowing Fox was not in his corner. I'am all for bringing back Moore, but we need to bring in a Vet QB badly.

[MHS831]

I have a lot of respect for the people in here supporting JC. We all agree that his performance was terrible this year. The difference between the Clausen supporters and the Clausen bashers is this: Football IQ.

Bashers: When was the last time a second round QB did well starting early in his rookie year?

Assuming you find an example, how good was his offensive line (did he have 3 reserves starting for most of the time he started)?

Were his coaches lame ducks?

How many of his WRs were rookies?

No second round QB in history has ever succeeded under these conditions. In fact, maybe only a handful who ever played the game could have succeeded.

Time to get real and grow up. Your antics are childish, negative, ignorant, and bascially erroneous. It is February. Time to quit pouting.

[rayzor]

I get the hardwork aspect and agree with that. I think he is a hardworker. That is key, especially at that position. That is something I worry about when people talk about the Cam Newton's of the world who have so much physical talent they rely on will playing the position.

it is the skill set part I don't get. Nothing imo stands out. Guys who succeed at this level normally have one if not a few physical traits or intangibles that standout while they develop

I don't like Clausen....but I probably disliked what Fox/Davidson did more than that....so he has that going for him I guess.

i'm more referring to what he had in college. he had a whole lot more going for him in those situations than he did here. he didn't look anything like what he did his last couple years at ND. he looked like a scared kid back there. i think his skills will show more once the game settles down for him.

i don't think that fox/davidson had him in a situation where he could succeed. i've heard talk about how paranoid they were of making mistakes so they coached scared and limited what everyone could do. i'm thinking a lot of that playin scared passed on to the players, esp. those who weren't more established. they didn't trust clausen (not that he gave them a whole lot of reason to) so they held him back. when you get to the point where it's pretty obvious you are looking at a 1 or 2 win season, you should just let things fly and at least try to make it interesting. they didn't do that and it really didn't help anyone's development.

I think it is funny how many people still believe Clausen has a chance to start here next season. It's not that he lost a lot of games. Panthers were not a good football team. It is what he did, or did not do when he was on the field. No arm strength, no accuracy, bailing out of perfect pockets to throw from, never taking shots down field or in the middle of field. Threw way too many balls out of bounds. He had no balls. That says a lot about a QB. Showing up his recievers on the field when they ran the wrong route.

He will barely exist in camp. The Panthers will re-sign Moore to compete with another FA

QB and may the best man win. Much to the dismay of many, Moore is the favorite going in. Not too many FA's that will beat him out at camp. He really is as good as what we saw in 09. The season went to crap in the 4th qtr of Bucs game when he was benched for JC. That was the beginning of the end for the 2010 Panthers. Pike will be the odd man out when final cuts are made and JC will find himself as a 3rd string emergency QB next season.

With that said, I will reply to original posted question. I have sources that tell me that he was a spoiled, crybaby, prima donna California boy. And many people on the team did not care much for him. One example was that when he was told that Moore would be starting vs 49ers, he had a temper tantrum, blamed it ALL on his receivers, then stormed out of the QB meeting room. It's no wonder why Steve Smith didnt like him.

all this could be true, i don't know.

there are a few areas of huge concern for me with clausen. his maturity level and leadership abilities are at the forefront, though. you can read his tweets and see that he has a ton of growing up to do and i just don't see it happening very soon. his maturity level is going to really effect his leadership skills. i just don't see him as being someone that can stand there in the huddle and get or command the respect that the general on the field needs to have.

the only thing about either of those, it has to happen in the middle of the battle. if he is going to mature, it is going to have to come in the midst of conflict. if he is going to become a leader and get the respect he needs, it is going to come in battle. he has to be able to fight to get the start and fight to get this team some wins, and they can't be easy wins either. it has to be him going out there and bringing the team back from behind and carrying him on their back doing it. if he can pull that off, the other guys on the team will respond to him a lot better and they will play at a higher level. his confidence will help him out as well. if he can accomplish that, i feel pretty good about his potential. it's just a question of him being able to.

he should get an honest shot at the start, but it shouldn't be without competition. i don't care where that competition comes from, as long as it is for the long term job and it's honest.

one thing that he is always going to have a problem with is all these people who just hate the kid and won't give him a chance. they've already made up their minds about him without seeing if he can do better in a better situation. he'll have it next year with a better coaching staff. all excuses will be gone at that point. if he can't win the job next year, i doubt he will ever be able to.