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How would you feel if Bryce did this in 2025

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Icege Grand Master

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2 hours ago, ForJimmy said:

Is this for the whole season or just after his benching?

Wasn't specified by the OP. Got the original tweet screen capped in the link above for what they had posted.

2 hours ago, mrcompletely11 said:

a little context would help if you are going to keep posting that

 

I thought that the one other time I posted it explained it clearly and that the labels would help fill in any blanks (outside of exacts regarding the scope of the sample, of course). What part is giving you trouble?

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9 minutes ago, Icege said:

Wasn't specified by the OP. Got the original tweet screen capped in the link above for what they had posted.

 

I thought that the one other time I posted it explained it clearly and that the labels would help fill in any blanks (outside of exacts regarding the scope of the sample, of course). What part is giving you trouble?

That's crazy impressive if it's for the season.  I feel like it post benching which is still impressive.  Those first couple games can really swing things.  I'm eager to see how the offense looks this season in year 2 of DC's offense, same OL, and a new weapon in TMac.  

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42 minutes ago, ForJimmy said:

That's crazy impressive if it's for the season.  I feel like it post benching which is still impressive.  Those first couple games can really swing things.  I'm eager to see how the offense looks this season in year 2 of DC's offense, same OL, and a new weapon in TMac.  

It's a really just a weird anomaly of a stat IMO 

For example, Bryce essentially had the worst on target % in the NFL last year.   That stat wouldn't lead you to believe that was also true.

He throws shorter than almost the entire league on average.   He naturally plays a more risk adverse brand of football.  So despite bringing heaviest % of off target throws to anyone on that graph.....they aren't all that aggressive and he is missing into the sideline for example often, thus....aren't deemed "turnover worthy".  Which is fine.  It's smart football for us.  But it's also why the ceiling of everything is just so low. 

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15 minutes ago, ForJimmy said:

That's crazy impressive if it's for the season.  I feel like it post benching which is still impressive.  Those first couple games can really swing things.  I'm eager to see how the offense looks this season in year 2 of DC's offense, same OL, and a new weapon in TMac.  

Got to pick up little dude from school in a minute, but once I get back if I have time I'll see if I can figure out which via the data points. I was leaning towards post-benching but I figured that'd be called out somewhere if so.

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32 minutes ago, CRA said:

It's a really just a weird anomaly of a stat IMO 

For example, Bryce essentially had the worst on target % in the NFL last year.   That stat wouldn't lead you to believe that was also true.

He throws shorter than almost the entire league on average.   He naturally plays a more risk adverse brand of football.  So despite bringing heaviest % of off target throws to anyone on that graph.....they aren't all that aggressive and he is missing into the sideline for example often thus....aren't deemed "turnover worthy".  Which is fine.  It's smart football for us.  But it's also why the ceiling of everything is just so low. 

I think you are looking at the season and that stat has to be post benching. His first few games can change the averages by quite a bit as they were awful vs decent after the benching. Season totals will paint a bleak picture while game by game and year end trends can give us some hope. Throw in year 2 of the same offense, same OL, plus TMac and we should expect some improvements overall. 

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1 hour ago, Icege said:

Wasn't specified by the OP. Got the original tweet screen capped in the link above for what they had posted.

 

I thought that the one other time I posted it explained it clearly and that the labels would help fill in any blanks (outside of exacts regarding the scope of the sample, of course). What part is giving you trouble?

Is this the entire season?

Is this completions?

What defines big time throws?

 

I mean it's a pretty arbitrary and meaningless "stat" in the grand scheme of things 

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2 minutes ago, ForJimmy said:

I think you are looking at the season and that stat has to be post benching. His first few games can change the averages by quite a bit as they were awful vs decent after the benching. Season totals will paint a bleak picture while game by game and year end trends can give us some hope. Throw in year 2 of the same offense, same OL, plus TMac and we should expect some improvements overall. 

93% of his pass attempts last year are post benching to final game (starting with Denver). 

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3 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

Is this the entire season?

Is this completions?

What defines big time throws?

 

I mean it's a pretty arbitrary and meaningless "stat" in the grand scheme of things 

It's a subjective stat that PFF made up. https://www.pff.com/news/pro-pff-qb-grading-most-effective-tool-there-is

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In its simplest terms, a big-time throw is on the highest end of both difficulty and value. While the value is easy to see statistically, the difficulty has more to do with passes that have a lower completion percentage the further the ball is thrown down the field. Therefore, the big-time throw is best described as a pass with excellent ball location and timing, generally thrown further down the field and/or into a tighter window.

 

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4 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

Is this the entire season?

Is this completions?

What defines big time throws?

 

I mean it's a pretty arbitrary and meaningless "stat" in the grand scheme of things 

my understanding is a big time throw, could be a 5-10 yard slant to Adam Thielen given AT isn't going to separate. 

 

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1 hour ago, mrcompletely11 said:

Is this the entire season?

Is this completions?

What defines big time throws?

 

I mean it's a pretty arbitrary and meaningless "stat" in the grand scheme of things 

Are you trying to have a good faith conversation or are you just being dismissive?

More than willing to explore further if the former, but from your quip at the end there it seems like the latter.

I don't think that you'd just dismiss something because it doesn't support your argument, but just in case lmk pls kthx

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3 hours ago, Icege said:

Are you trying to have a good faith conversation or are you just being dismissive?

More than willing to explore further if the former, but from your quip at the end there it seems like the latter.

I don't think that you'd just dismiss something because it doesn't support your argument, but just in case lmk pls kthx

and yet you didnt answer one of those questions

The "big time throw" stat just seems like something made up from PFF

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3 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

and yet you didnt answer one of those questions

The "big time throw" stat just seems like something made up from PFF

Based on their definition, basically 90% of well placed balls to Adam Theilen would count as a big time throws.  Because all those are tight windows.  That’s where I think the definition is muddy in terms of what they do and don’t count.   Probably would help figure it out if we had a game and the number of throws they award him to get an idea of what does and doesn’t count 
 

a pass with high difficulty and value, often characterized by excellent ball location and timing, typically thrown further downfield or into a tighter window

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