Trevin Wallace - PFF Breakout Nominee

[Icege]

24 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

I see it a bit differently considering there is only 20M in cap space. Given how many of the premium positions are on rookie contracts their cap should not be nearly maxed out. Tillis still has a lot of work to do before these rookies will need a second contract. 

Most analysts from what I've seen are projecting next year's cap as closer to $298M but as high as in the low 300s. We saw a $24M increase this season, $31M increase last season, and $16M prior to that. There's also the inevitable cap casualties... A'Shawn Robinson being cut saves the team $8.5M. Damien Lewis would save $9M. BB3, Jewell, PJ2 all would save $5M each. Tremble and Mike Jackson could save $4M each. It wouldn't surprise me to see the team make a few moves that end up giving them closer to $50M in cap space to start 2026.

I'm less worried about next year's cap space due to the upcoming UFAs for the team: TMo, AT, Tuttle, Wonnum, Nijman, Mays, Corbett, BC, Dowdle, Rozeboom, Martin, Rhattigan, Jansen, Scott... the only FAs I'm seeing on Spotrac outside of TMo that are must keeps are ERFAs Coker + Demani (so long as TMo's knee is fine, of course). 2027 on the other hand is going to be the offseason for Bryce's bonus option with Icky being the most significant UFA. PJ2, A'Shawn, Josey, MJackson, Tremble, Dalton, DJ Johnson, Zavala, and Bartholomew are the only other current FAs then.

I'm of the opinion that they are all in on next season and if it doesn't go well, it's being blown up and starting from scratch. They're currently estimated to have $130M in free cap space in 2027.

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[Jon Snow]

41 minutes ago, Icege said:

Most analysts from what I've seen are projecting next year's cap as closer to $298M but as high as in the low 300s. We saw a $24M increase this season, $31M increase last season, and $16M prior to that. There's also the inevitable cap casualties... A'Shawn Robinson being cut saves the team $8.5M. Damien Lewis would save $9M. BB3, Jewell, PJ2 all would save $5M each. Tremble and Mike Jackson could save $4M each. It wouldn't surprise me to see the team make a few moves that end up giving them closer to $50M in cap space to start 2026.

I'm less worried about next year's cap space due to the upcoming UFAs for the team: TMo, AT, Tuttle, Wonnum, Nijman, Mays, Corbett, BC, Dowdle, Rozeboom, Martin, Rhattigan, Jansen, Scott... the only FAs I'm seeing on Spotrac outside of TMo that are must keeps are ERFAs Coker + Demani (so long as TMo's knee is fine, of course). 2027 on the other hand is going to be the offseason for Bryce's bonus option with Icky being the most significant UFA. PJ2, A'Shawn, Josey, MJackson, Tremble, Dalton, DJ Johnson, Zavala, and Bartholomew are the only other current FAs then.

I'm of the opinion that they are all in on next season and if it doesn't go well, it's being blown up and starting from scratch. They're currently estimated to have $130M in free cap space in 2027.

That's a lot of players that have to be replaced with draft picks in the next 2 seasons to realize those cap savings. And even then you have to spend those savings on replacements. This team is still upside-down with its cap commitments and it is going to take awhile to get it corrected. 

[Icege]

24 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

That's a lot of players that have to be replaced with draft picks in the next 2 seasons to realize those cap savings. And even then you have to spend those savings on replacements. This team is still upside-down with its cap commitments and it is going to take awhile to get it corrected. 

Yea, there's a good amount of players there but fortunately it's not a lot of expensive players that are going to demand a premium to be replaced outside of TMo. A punter, two ST LBs, a LS, three back-up OL, and a starting center are all players that can be replaced with day three picks which will allow the team to commit the premium picks to premium positions.

fwiw I hope that they invest in a franchise center next season if they decide Mays isn't the guy.

 

[Basbear]

17 hours ago, LinvilleGorge said:

No Luke doesn't and no Cam doesn't. We didn't have back to back winning seasons because we were trash at OT, we were trash at WR, we were trash in the secondary other than Josh Norman. Guys like Cam, and Luke, and TD, and Olsen, and Josh Norman were band aiding together and overall trash roster. We just had enough really good guys to make it somewhat work as long as all the key guys remained healthy and the coaching staff wasn't helping. They were getting dragged along too.

If Cam and Luke were truly these HOF game changer that we all believe, their influence should have lead to wins, including b2b. I feel us fans overrated their abilities. Watched some of the Luke coming call 70% of plays before they happened, most of his team mates didn't listen to answer. There was nearly no reaction to his call out, it was bizarre. That seemed to be the main problem. No clue why this never got addressed.

Gross and Smitty were here in late stage, each were able to bring good positive play level in their 30s. Cam had the best IOL for around 2.5 years and 2 legit studs at RBs. Lafell was alright for a #2 as well. DL during this time was top tier- Star, KK, Hardy, Johnson.. The D finished in the top 5, I believe two different times and others it no lower than 8th. I just remembered Oher was here for good LT play for what 1.5 seasons, too. 

Luke and Cam should have better results.

[LinvilleGorge]

32 minutes ago, Basbear said:

If Cam and Luke were truly these HOF game changer that we all believe, their influence should have lead to wins, including b2b. I feel us fans overrated their abilities. Watched some of the Luke coming call 70% of plays before they happened, most of his team mates didn't listen to answer. There was nearly no reaction to his call out, it was bizarre. That seemed to be the main problem. No clue why this never got addressed.

Gross and Smitty were here in late stage, each were able to bring good positive play level in their 30s. Cam had the best IOL for around 2.5 years and 2 legit studs at RBs. Lafell was alright for a #2 as well. DL during this time was top tier- Star, KK, Hardy, Johnson.. The D finished in the top 5, I believe two different times and others it no lower than 8th. I just remembered Oher was here for good LT play for what 1.5 seasons, too. 

Luke and Cam should have better results.

We didn't win because our few great players weren't greater, not because of the overall unbalance of the roster and mediocre coaching. Got it. LOL 

[Waldo]

35 minutes ago, Basbear said:

If Cam and Luke were truly these HOF game changer that we all believe, their influence should have lead to wins, including b2b. I feel us fans overrated their abilities. Watched some of the Luke coming call 70% of plays before they happened, most of his team mates didn't listen to answer. There was nearly no reaction to his call out, it was bizarre. That seemed to be the main problem. No clue why this never got addressed.

Gross and Smitty were here in late stage, each were able to bring good positive play level in their 30s. Cam had the best IOL for around 2.5 years and 2 legit studs at RBs. Lafell was alright for a #2 as well. DL during this time was top tier- Star, KK, Hardy, Johnson.. The D finished in the top 5, I believe two different times and others it no lower than 8th. I just remembered Oher was here for good LT play for what 1.5 seasons, too. 

Luke and Cam should have better results.

Go look at the Ravens from 96 to 2012 and tell me a HOF LBer is enough to dominate in wins.

The team building and coaching were the issues. If you look at all of Cam's years together, like you did, there were good pieces but looking at the individual years and it becomes a lot less impressive. The year they drafted Cam is in the running for the worst draft for the team ever lol.