PFF ranks the 2025 starting QBs

[CRA]

On 5/23/2025 at 8:42 PM, Seltzer said:

Dude you're all over the place.

Bryce definitely played better than average down the stretch last year. That's what I said. I dont think it's controversial, and I think it's true based both on stats and by actually watching him play.

He was the 6th rated passer by PFF during the last 8 weeks. In no world is that below average

 

sure, the 6th best passer the last 8 weeks of the season.  The problem is when you start shrinking numbers.....averages can get really weird and can present false info/narratives.  You can see that everywhere in life. 

for example, he only broke 60% in 3 of those 8 games.  In only 3 of those 8 games did he surpass the average passing yards per game. 

remove the last 2 games of the season.....and where does he finish in the final 6 or on the season as a whole.    People are most definitely overinflating Bryce's play.   And it's largely because of the drastic change of what he was to what he became.  Which was HUGE.  But in comparison to the rest of the league, above average doesn't pass the eyeball test.  For example, people largely are remembering him playing well vs Philly.  He was BAD that game.  XL just happened to drop a pass he shouldn't have and Philly played horrific all game.  Or looking at the stat sheet and claiming he was great vs AZ.  He wasn't.  He was literally one of 11 that game just not messing it up. 

[mav1234]

On 5/27/2025 at 7:37 AM, CRA said:

sure, the 6th best passer the last 8 weeks of the season.  The problem is when you start shrinking numbers.....averages can get really weird and can present false info/narratives.  You can see that everywhere in life. 

for example, he only broke 60% in 3 of those 8 games.  In only 3 of those 8 games did he surpass the average passing yards per game. 

remove the last 2 games of the season.....and where does he finish in the final 6 or on the season as a whole.    People are most definitely overinflating Bryce's play.   And it's largely because of the drastic change of what he was to what he became.  Which was HUGE.  But in comparison to the rest of the league, above average doesn't pass the eyeball test.  For example, people largely are remembering him playing well vs Philly.  He was BAD that game.  XL just happened to drop a pass he shouldn't have and Philly played horrific all game.  Or looking at the stat sheet and claiming he was great vs AZ.  He wasn't.  He was literally one of 11 that game just not messing it up. 

I don't think the stat sheet is why Bryce was good in the AZ game. I don't think it's some incredible performance either, but it was a good game from a QB. He was much weaker in the 2nd half, but he moved the ball pretty well, and was effective in the red zone. He used his legs very well too.

Philly was not a great game for him though. Lots of bad throws, but a few great ones (including the drop, lol)

I'd say that since returning from benching he was on the low end of a top 10 QB. He needs to continue to improve and show consistency within and between games. 

[CRA]

4 hours ago, mav1234 said:

I don't think the stat sheet is why Bryce was good in the AZ game. I don't think it's some incredible performance either, but it was a good game from a QB. He was much weaker in the 2nd half, but he moved the ball pretty well, and was effective in the red zone. He used his legs very well too.

Philly was not a great game for him though. Lots of bad throws, but a few great ones (including the drop, lol)

I'd say that since returning from benching he was on the low end of a top 10 QB. He needs to continue to improve and show consistency within and between games. 

sure, but in reality, it was just a don't do anything to screw this up game.  Backup QB caliber gameplan and ideal execution of that script.   Which is great.  You need that.  You often need that a lot in games.  But that's all that game was. 

post benching, we were still a bottom tier pass attack and Bryce had below average production as a NFL QB post benching overall.  What he did have was one of the most glaring improvements from one year to the other we have seen.  

The top 10ish stuff is just where I start calling the over the top stuff what I think it is.   It's a unique PFF argument.   Not an argument that is supported by PFF

[jfra78]

1 hour ago, CRA said:

sure, but in reality, it was just a don't do anything to screw this up game.  Backup QB caliber gameplan and ideal execution of that script.   Which is great.  You need that.  You often need that a lot in games.  But that's all that game was. 

post benching, we were still a bottom tier pass attack and Bryce had below average production as a NFL QB post benching overall.  What he did have was one of the most glaring improvements from one year to the other we have seen.  

The top 10ish stuff is just where I start calling the over the top stuff what I think it is.   It's a unique PFF argument.   No an argument that is supported by PFF

Yea let's just get to top 16 and go from there

[mav1234]

5 hours ago, CRA said:

sure, but in reality, it was just a don't do anything to screw this up game.  Backup QB caliber gameplan and ideal execution of that script.   Which is great.  You need that.  You often need that a lot in games.  But that's all that game was. 

post benching, we were still a bottom tier pass attack and Bryce had below average production as a NFL QB post benching overall.  What he did have was one of the most glaring improvements from one year to the other we have seen.  

The top 10ish stuff is just where I start calling the over the top stuff what I think it is.   It's a unique PFF argument.   Not an argument that is supported by PFF

This just isn't true for that time span, unless you exclude his rushing.  Which would be perfectly in line with Panthers fans to do lol... But in that time span he was some place between 8-15 in most metrics and that included some good to great performances eye test wise. His ~230 yards per game was pretty good, and he was on pace for approx 28-30 TDs in a season and ~3900 total yards, with only 11 ints. And that was with the insane drops he had to deal with, not like some perfect performance by his receivers 

Anyway as to the backup quality whatever, if your backup QB is scrambling all over the field and delivering 20 yard completions every couple drives (barring the fourth quarter, anyway) - he's not just a backup, and probably gets a start some place... But he did play inconsistently at times, which is a major concern 

[CRA]

2 hours ago, mav1234 said:

This just isn't true for that time span, unless you exclude his rushing.  Which would be perfectly in line with Panthers fans to do lol... But in that time span he was some place between 8-15 in most metrics and that included some good to great performances eye test wise. His ~230 yards per game was pretty good, and he was on pace for approx 28-30 TDs in a season and ~3900 total yards, with only 11 ints. And that was with the insane drops he had to deal with, not like some perfect performance by his receivers 

Anyway as to the backup quality whatever, if your backup QB is scrambling all over the field and delivering 20 yard completions every couple drives (barring the fourth quarter, anyway) - he's not just a backup, and probably gets a start some place... But he did play inconsistently at times, which is a major concern 

Post benching his completion % and yardage were both below league average on the year.   Now his TD to INT ratio wasn’t…..but given we were still a low productive pass O (yardage, conversions etc) I don’t see how that alone jumps him 

 

 

[mav1234]

On 5/30/2025 at 6:37 PM, CRA said:

Post benching his completion % and yardage were both below league average on the year.   Now his TD to INT ratio wasn’t…..but given we were still a low productive pass O (yardage, conversions etc) I don’t see how that alone jumps him 

His completion percentage was, but his total yardage was not, and that was with some atrocious WR play at times (though some major balling out by Thielen at times for sure). But he also had some really bad throws. His mechanics are far from perfect and NEED to improve. Receivers are no longer an excuse, either. 

I'm not saying he is a top 10 QB, just that in a lot of categories he was between average and just inside the top 10 in that stretch if we do things like considering his rushing as part of his production. My issue with him is we need to see within game and between game consistency. We saw some evidence of that possibility though.

[fanpanther]

On 5/27/2025 at 9:37 AM, CRA said:

sure, the 6th best passer the last 8 weeks of the season.  The problem is when you start shrinking numbers.....averages can get really weird and can present false info/narratives.  You can see that everywhere in life. 

for example, he only broke 60% in 3 of those 8 games.  In only 3 of those 8 games did he surpass the average passing yards per game. 

remove the last 2 games of the season.....and where does he finish in the final 6 or on the season as a whole.    People are most definitely overinflating Bryce's play.   And it's largely because of the drastic change of what he was to what he became.  Which was HUGE.  But in comparison to the rest of the league, above average doesn't pass the eyeball test.  For example, people largely are remembering him playing well vs Philly.  He was BAD that game.  XL just happened to drop a pass he shouldn't have and Philly played horrific all game.  Or looking at the stat sheet and claiming he was great vs AZ.  He wasn't.  He was literally one of 11 that game just not messing it up. 

U are right byoung did play better but before he was horrific so any improvement was huge.  Still crazy lookongat the rookie qbs last year and everyone of the had single games arguably better than young has ever had. 

[Mr. Scot]

Look! We're not the worst!

 

[jfra78]

25 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Look! We're not the worst!

 

We are not allowed to look at whole season stats, only select games which make BY look good