Princely defends Icky while streaming

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3 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

It's hilarious watching you crash out while being completely wrong. Every link you posted regarding player grades specifically told you that they aren't incorporating stats into these grades, that it's based on their evaluation individual plays. That sent you scouring the internet where you came back with soccer grades as some type of gotcha before you shifted to pass protection grades where you misunderstood that they were using stats to create the basis of their grading system but not in the actual actual creation of the player grades. Pointing that out sent you back to the internet to dig some more where you came back with their "Advanced Coverage Grade" metric which is separate from their player grade.

 

 

PFF uses the term "context normalized-scoring," which is based upon statistics. Hell, any serious metric or analytic systems are based upon stats and expectations, and looks at what players do against those expectations, but If you don't think that stats play any part in a players grades, be wrong. At the end of the day, it's heady anyway, so everyone is not going to understand everything. I'm done with this conversation for now. But just know, it's OK to be wrong.

[LinvilleGorge]

1 minute ago, TD alt said:

PFF uses the term "context normalized-scoring," which is based upon statistics. Hell, any serious metric or analytic systems are based upon stats and expectations, and looks at what players do against those expectations, but If you don't think that stats play any part in a players grades, be wrong. At the end of the day, it's heady anyway, so everyone is not going to understand everything. I'm done with this conversation for now. But just know, it's OK to be wrong.

They use stats to create the basis of their grading system but the stats based on the outcome of the plays (that aggregate into what we football fans call "stats") are not incorporated into the grade. That's the best I can do in terms of explaining this to you. I've tried, every link from PFF has tried, yet you just keep on keeping on. LOL

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Just now, LinvilleGorge said:

They use stats to create the basis of their grading system but the stats based on the outcome of the plays (that aggregate into what we football fans call "stats") are not incorporated into the grade. That's the best I can do in terms of explaining this to you. I've tried, every link from PFF has tried, yet you just keep on keeping on. LOL

If their grading system is based upon stats, then...but keep on splitting hairs, as it suits your narrative. 

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And to be honest, we weren't really talking about PFF grades either. I brought it into the conversation via a pic that's LLM-related (which apparently some Huddlers took issue with) as an aside for providing more specificity than just sheer numbers

Edited 23 hours ago by TD alt

[frankw]

It is worth noting the fanbase has long held a love hate relationship with PFF over the years. Now that we are employing some of their people and actively using their data in our roster building approach going forward this should serve as the end all be all to any debate. This is either going to end really well or really bad. It's the Panthers. So save your energy and give it some time.

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1 hour ago, ForJimmy said:

Statistics is such a broad term, but PFF has to use them to some degree. They just have their own measurements and grading systems which incorporate some statistics in their grades. 

Which is all I was saying from the get.

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28 minutes ago, frankw said:

It is worth noting the fanbase has long held a love hate relationship with PFF over the years. Now that we are employing some of their people and actively using their data in our roster building approach going forward this should serve as the end all be all to any debate. This is either going to end really well or really bad. It's the Panthers. So save your energy and give it some time.

I mean, I think that we've been using them, but, like you're suggesting, maybe to a higher degree now. I would caution though to not take it out of context. It's simply a tool. The importance of it and its priority can't really be judged by us from the outside looking in.

On kind of an off note, sure PFF (CFF) had Bryce ranked as the highest rated QB when he came out, but I heard a PFF analyst say that "stature" was very important in the discussion between Young and Stroud as well, and honestly he didn't know that Young would or should be the first taken. Context and the bigger picture hav to be taken into account. 

[Icege]

Everything hurts and/or is sunburned, but lil dude had a good time and that's all that matters.

Also, confirmed the Gemini summary of Icky's PFF grades

[shaqattaq]

22 hours ago, LinvilleGorge said:

PFF grades aren't stats.

[shaqattaq]

21 hours ago, TD alt said:

Not trying to turn this into a debate about PFF (at all because it's been done ad nauseum),

Well that went over like a fart in church...

[rebelrouser]

Icky is overrated and about to be overpaid. Not sure what we could do about that.  Missing Penei Sewell and settling for Jaycee Horn left us in a no win situation. I guess we could have picked Evan Neal instead.  That would have even worse.  

[Waldo]

This just in...the defense line has a leg up on the oline is  the preseason...just like every year.

Some of yall are drama queens. The NFL doesn't call holding the same way game 1 as game 17. The reason? It takes time to get an oline up and running, the units and players. 

Ian Thomas was a stud every preseason and never showed jack in season. All of the data being collected now will have to be checked agaisnt actual season games for conformation. No need to try and cheat the process...unless you just dig drama and disappointment.