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[csx]

A 3 td 74% completion, no interception victory to prevent the Falcons from winning the division is obviously a better day than 1 td 1 int 53% loss.  

 

[ForJimmy]

Ok so we have PJ Walker against ATL

19/36 for 317 yards 1 TD 1 INT and 1 carry for 20 yards

Bryce Young against ATL

25/34 251 yards 3 TDs 0 INTs and 5 carries for 24 yards and 2 TDs 

One has a rating of 80 and a QBR of 32

The other has a rating of 123 and a QBR of 94

Also one actually won his game. The lesser can be one of the best QB performances of the decade and the other can’t be over 30 years? PJ also had a 100 plus yard rushing performance from Foreman with 3 TDs btw. You could argue Foreman was more crucial to the offense than game honestly. 

[frankw]

If the statement bothers some folks so bad it's because it hits a little too close to the vest I guess. We've certainly lowered standards here about as far as we can. And if someone wants to come at me and claim we haven't well there's months and months of posts saying otherwise. Walker is a UDFA afterthought. Doesn't change the facts of that performance.

And as such our #1 pick with all the pieces we have around him now should put up multiple games next season that smoke that one from PJ. At least that should be the expectation. Maybe some people are just happy he can hit 200 passing yards in a game. That ain't it.

Edited 22 hours ago by frankw

[CRA]

24 minutes ago, ForJimmy said:

Ok so we have PJ Walker against ATL

19/36 for 317 yards 1 TD 1 INT and 1 carry for 20 yards

Bryce Young against ATL

25/34 251 yards 3 TDs 0 INTs and 5 carries for 24 yards and 2 TDs 

One has a rating of 80 and a QBR of 32

The other has a rating of 123 and a QBR of 94

Also one actually won his game. The lesser can be one of the best QB performances of the decade and the other can’t be over 30 years? PJ also had a 100 plus yard rushing performance from Foreman with 3 TDs btw. You could argue Foreman was more crucial to the offense than game honestly. 

I’ll take Cam Newton dismantling a top 5 D AZ in the playoffs with 4 TDs and near 400 total yards…

I’ll take Jake in the postseason vs at the Bears with 300 yards and 3 TDs…

both better games.  Tougher games.  And didn’t need OT to crack 200 passing yards on the day 

Bryce’s QB rating that game doesn’t even crack a top 10 list of Cam’s highest QB rating games.

this is my BY issue.  Bryce does something nice and then the wild over the top stuff comes and it no longer can just be nice.  BY has to be a top 10 QB,  or the best deep ball passer or the greatest game we have ever witnessed from a QB in Carolina 

[frankw]

2 minutes ago, CRA said:

this is my BY issue.  Bryce does something nice and then the wild over the top stuff comes and it no longer can just be nice.  BY has to be a top 10 QB,  or the best deep ball passer or the greatest game we have ever witnessed from a QB in Carolina 

The overcompensating for mid is stale. Give us some elite passing performances to fap over already.

[ForJimmy]

19 minutes ago, CRA said:

I’ll take Cam Newton dismantling a top 5 D AZ in the playoffs with 4 TDs and near 400 total yards…

I’ll take Jake in the postseason vs at the Bears with 300 yards and 3 TDs…

both better games.  Tougher games.  And didn’t need OT to crack 200 passing yards on the day 

Bryce’s QB rating that game doesn’t even crack a top 10 list of Cam’s highest QB rating games.

this is my BY issue.  Bryce does something nice and then the wild over the top stuff comes and it no longer can just be nice.  BY has to be a top 10 QB,  or the best deep ball passer or the greatest game we have ever witnessed from a QB in Carolina 

Yes postseason wins will always carry more weight. I’m saying when a fan says a record breaking day is ONE OF the best passing performances by a Panthers QB, it’s not some crazy comment. It was literally record breaking and record tying for scores with zero turnovers. Three out of 4 passes are going to be complete. 13% of the time the ball was in his hands a TD was going to be scored on a day he scored as many as any other Panther in history. We can keep debating it, which just proves the point it’s debatable. 

[ForJimmy]

If you are zeroing in on yards because every other stat was great you might have an agenda. If you are ignoring 5 TDs and zero turnovers you might have an agenda. I’m not a die hard Bryce fan, but some of the size bros make it difficult to not defend him with some of these takes… We get it, you didn’t want Bryce in the draft. I preferred Stroud but at some point you have to get over it. 

[frankw]

10 minutes ago, ForJimmy said:

If you are zeroing in on yards because every other stat was great you might have an agenda. If you are ignoring 5 TDs and zero turnovers you might have an agenda. I’m not a die hard Bryce fan, but some of the size bros make it difficult to not defend him with some of these takes… We get it, you didn’t want Bryce in the draft. I preferred Stroud but at some point you have to get over it. 

2 rushing touchdowns in the red zone both runs combined netted 12 yards. That isn't going to happen every game. We'll be lucky if he has 10 rushing touchdowns on the season. And even then. When is someone going to lay the wood on him?

So basically we're looking at a 3 touchdown performance where it took going to overtime for him to hit 250 passing yards.

Doesn’t he have only one single game with over 300 passing yards across 28 starts? And he's thrown for more than two TD's only twice?

Again. The overcompensating is unnecessary. You can accuse people of having an agenda all you want. Reality is not an agenda bud.

Edited 21 hours ago by frankw

[CRA]

20 minutes ago, ForJimmy said:

Yes postseason wins will always carry more weight. I’m saying when a fan says a record breaking day is ONE OF the best passing performances by a Panthers QB, it’s not some crazy comment. It was literally record breaking and record tying for scores with zero turnovers. Three out of 4 passes are going to be complete. 13% of the time the ball was in his hands a TD was going to be scored on a day he scored as many as any other Panther in history. We can keep debating it, which just proves the point it’s debatable. 

It’s not about just postseason.  Those are just favs.   It’s quality of opponent and stakes….and performing.   Those things have always mattered.   And of course, the eyeball test. 
 

 

[ForJimmy]

13 minutes ago, frankw said:

2 rushing touchdowns in the red zone both runs combined netted 12 yards. That isn't going to happen every game. We'll be lucky if he has 10 rushing touchdowns on the season. And even then. When is someone going to lay the wood on him?

So basically we're looking at a 3 touchdown performance where it took going to overtime for him to hit 250 passing yards.

Doesn’t he have only one single game with over 300 passing yards across 28 starts? And he's thrown for more than two TD's only twice?

Again. The overcompensating is unnecessary. You can accuse people of having an agenda all you want. Reality is not an agenda bud.

Lol you are just taking away TDs to try to make a point about a game performance. This doesn’t sound like reality to me. We are looking at a game where he scored 5 total TDs which tied a record thus some could consider it ONE OF the best offensive performances by a Panther’s qb (it was the best we’ve seen since Prime Cam no doubt). Taking away his rushing TDs because that’s not the norm is completely ludicrous in this debate. Yeah if you nerf down his stats they weren’t record breaking. 

Look I can call him out when he plays bad, see first two weeks and that Cowboys game keeps getting looked over. He also played very well against Atlanta. You have to let go of this pre draft opinion or wanting him to fail because some Bryce Stans ruffle your feathers. Rambling about PJ Walker and trying to remove TDs in an argument about single game performances is a bad look. 

[ForJimmy]

3 minutes ago, CRA said:

It’s not about just postseason.  Those are just favs.   It’s quality of opponent and stakes….and performing.   Those things have always mattered.   And of course, the eyeball test. 
 

 

I agree that quality of the opponent hurts this game a good bit. I think some fans also go overexcited to see something from the QB position. My opinion is it was the best QB performance by a Panther since Prime Cam and it’s not particularly close. The bar has been pretty low. 

[CRA]

33 minutes ago, ForJimmy said:

If you are zeroing in on yards because every other stat was great you might have an agenda. If you are ignoring 5 TDs and zero turnovers you might have an agenda. I’m not a die hard Bryce fan, but some of the size bros make it difficult to not defend him with some of these takes… We get it, you didn’t want Bryce in the draft. I preferred Stroud but at some point you have to get over it. 

if you are wanting to claim the extreme position of greatest QB performance of all time ….while not cracking 200 in regulation? Well, that seems like a fair point to bring up to me…given the massive statement being made. 

[ForJimmy]

5 minutes ago, CRA said:

if you are wanting to claim the extreme position of greatest QB performance of all time ….while not cracking 200 in regulation? Well, that seems like a fair point to bring up to me…given the massive statement being made. 

He said one of the greatest and it was record breaking so an argument can be made for it. That’s all I’m saying. Do I personally think it was top 5? Nah. Top 10? Maybe. If you score 5 TDs and have lower yards you simply ran out of real estate. I don’t see that as a negative. He can’t create more yardage after he scores. 
 

it’s also not that massive of a statement. Our top 10 is basically all Cam with a couple Jake sprinkled in there. 

Edited 20 hours ago by ForJimmy

[frankw]

29 minutes ago, ForJimmy said:

Lol you are just taking away TDs to try to make a point about a game performance. This doesn’t sound like reality to me. We are looking at a game where he scored 5 total TDs which tied a record thus some could consider it ONE OF the best offensive performances by a Panther’s qb (it was the best we’ve seen since Prime Cam no doubt). Taking away his rushing TDs because that’s not the norm is completely ludicrous in this debate. Yeah if you nerf down his stats they weren’t record breaking. 

Look I can call him out when he plays bad, see first two weeks and that Cowboys game keeps getting looked over. He also played very well against Atlanta. You have to let go of this pre draft opinion or wanting him to fail because some Bryce Stans ruffle your feathers. Rambling about PJ Walker and trying to remove TDs in an argument about single game performances is a bad look. 

We did not draft 5 foot 9 and a half Bryce Young to win games with his legs. We drafted him for his arm talent and ability to process on the field both of which were hyped immensely. Full stop.

To be clear 3 passing touchdowns is impressive and I've said as much and complimented him on his progress from and this is not hyperbole one of the worst QB's in the league at one point. The issue is it's one game and it has only been replicated one other time. And the other issue is even in games like this where his scoring output goes up his yardage is still low. That paired with the subject of his lack of 300 yard games and otherwise lack of 2 or more TD's games creates a conversation of sustainability and what is a realistic expectation for him as the "norm" going forward. And for right now Bryce Young scoring 2 rushing touchdowns in a single game when he only had 6 total rushing touchdowns in 14 games last year only exacerbates the need for that question to be asked. It is unfortunately very real and certainly something to consider.

And just for clarity sake for comparison last year in a losing outing against the Rams Josh Allen threw for 3 touchdowns and rushed for 3 more scores. He accumulated a total of 424 yards. In regulation. Bryce Young's herculean coming out game as some here would describe only accumulated a combined 275 yards while going to overtime.

And to be abundantly clear since you are choosing to take potshots at me about Stroud which only serves to aid you in portraying me as a hater. I did not bring him up here. I only responded to a conversation that occurred.

As always. As I've said. I want Bryce to be the guy here. I don't want another reset where we have to wait 2 or 3 more seasons to see if a new guy is "him". If and when Bryce strings together multiple elite passing performances this upcoming season to cement himself at least as a top 12 QB then I will give praise where it is due 100%. But that is the bar or at least it should be. We've invested immensely in this offense and in him.

Edited 20 hours ago by frankw