Bryce Young’s weapons

[frankw]

It's interesting taking a stroll down memory lane. Sobering too.

Beginning with the 2011 draft. The entire draft outside of Cam Newton were off the team within 2 seasons. That's insane.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/car/2011_draft.htm

The 2012 draft we gave Cam Newton Joe Adams in the 4th round

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/car/2011_draft.htm

The 2013 draft we gave him Edmund Kugbila and Kenjon Barner

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/car/2013_draft.htm

The 2014 draft we finally gave him a first round WR. Who he then proceeded to lead us to a Super Bowl without.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/car/2014_draft.htm

The 2015 draft we gave him Devin Funchess Daryl Williams and Cameron Artis Payne

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/car/2015_draft.htm

The 2016 draft after a Super Bowl appearance we gave him Beau Sandland

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/car/2016_draft.htm

2017 is the year where we went big with our first 3 picks. CMC Curtis Samuel and Taylor Moton. Unfortunately by then it was too late as seasoned Panthers fans know.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/car/2017_draft.htm

In conclusion. That's the prime years of the only MVP in franchise history where we basically did fug all in the draft offensively.

I mean this is night and day compared to the OL investment today and 2 first round WR's in the first three seasons.

Let's put away the violin.

[CRA]

7 minutes ago, SteveSmithTD89 said:

Little disingenuous leaving Greg Olsen off that list imo. 

I get hes not a WR but theirs a reason the meme defensive gameplan every week was "bracket Olsen and spy Cam".

well, the OP didn't list positives so I was just following that format  

 

[PantherChris]

43 minutes ago, *FreeFua* said:

Legette ain’t much better than Mingo

At least 4x better Mingo has..... 0 career TDs

[PantherChris]

29 minutes ago, frankw said:

KB could have been another Mike Evans. Guy was just a headcase and didn't want to be great. But the talent was there.

But yes we had a former QB at WR we had a former defensive lineman at left tackle at one point on top of keeping Byron Bell for too long. There was that one preseason where Corey Brown had like 20 drops. Ted Ginn was notorious for it and nearly lost us that Giants game in 2015 over it.

First overall picks have to flash even in the less than ideal circumstances. Why this is a controversial or unfair notion now is beyond me but it's always been that way.

No he couldn't have dude was wayyyy slower than Mike Evans..... 

[PantherChris]

36 minutes ago, CRA said:

at one point Cam Newton's WRs were Webb, Bersin, Avant, Brown, and Benjamin 

Let's compare Cams rookie weapons to bryces....

 

Smith-Lafell

Olsen-Shockey 

Williams-Stewart 

[Icege]

2 hours ago, NAS said:

First two years

DJ Chark: free agent
Hayden Hurst: free agent
Diontae Johnson: free agent
Terrace Marshall, Jr.: free agent
Jonathan Mingo: traded
Miles Sanders: released
Laviska Shenault: free agent
 

It’s wild that some of these were WR1 and WR2 at some point 

It's Bryce's fault that their careers are over because the #1 overall pick is supposed to carry the whole team. /s

44 minutes ago, CRA said:

at one point Cam Newton's WRs were Webb, Bersin, Avant, Brown, and Benjamin 

And the team went 7-8-1 and KB went off for 1k+ yards as a rookie. I think we easily see at least 7 wins if TMac has a similar rookie year.

[frankw]

8 minutes ago, PantherChris said:

No he couldn't have dude was wayyyy slower than Mike Evans..... 

I mean Evans isn’t a speed guy himself he can be deceptively quick. His resume is his catch radius and his hands and using his size to his advantage. That's the comparison. Watch KB in 2014.

[frankw]

https://www.espn.com/nfl/boxscore/_/gameId/400951558

Anyone remember this game?

With Greg Olsen out Cam Newton had Ed fuging Dickson at almost 200 receiving yards and no run game to speak of only 28 rushing yards in 4 quarters. Man put on a passing clinic.

[WUnderhill]

13 minutes ago, frankw said:

It's interesting taking a stroll down memory lane. Sobering too.

Beginning with the 2011 draft. The entire draft outside of Cam Newton were off the team within 2 seasons. That's insane.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/car/2011_draft.htm

The 2012 draft we gave Cam Newton Joe Adams in the 4th round

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/car/2011_draft.htm

The 2013 draft we gave him Edmund Kugbila and Kenjon Barner

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/car/2013_draft.htm

The 2014 draft we finally gave him a first round WR. Who he then proceeded to lead us to a Super Bowl without.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/car/2014_draft.htm

The 2015 draft we gave him Devin Funchess Daryl Williams and Cameron Artis Payne

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/car/2015_draft.htm

The 2016 draft after a Super Bowl appearance we gave him Beau Sandland

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/car/2016_draft.htm

2017 is the year where we went big with our first 3 picks. CMC Curtis Samuel and Taylor Moton. Unfortunately by then it was too late as seasoned Panthers fans know.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/car/2017_draft.htm

In conclusion. That's the prime years of the only MVP in franchise history where we basically did fug all in the draft offensively.

I mean this is night and day compared to the OL investment today and 2 first round WR's in the first three seasons.

Let's put away the violin.

Cam also had Greg Olsen, Jeremy Shockey, Steve Smith, DeAngelo Williams, Jonathan Stewart in his rookie season alone. He was surrounded by all time Panther greats including at least 2 potential hall of famers. Why leave that out? All Bryce Young has had the past 2 seasons is Adam Thielen, Chuba Hubbard, and some rookie WRs we are hoping will be good. Why do you feel the need to argue in a thread in which op post is pretty self explanatory. We were starting and relying on multiple players who can’t even make another 53 man roster. Your crusade is so old. It’s really ok to acknowledge that whatever your thoughts are on Bryce Young, he started his career with a really bad supporting cast.

[frankw]

2 minutes ago, WUnderhill said:

Cam also had Greg Olsen, Jeremy Shockey, Steve Smith, DeAngelo Williams, Jonathan Stewart in his rookie season alone. He was surrounded by all time Panther greats including at least 2 potential hall of famers. Why leave that out? All Bryce Young has had the past 2 seasons is Adam Thielen, Chuba Hubbard, and some rookie WRs we are hoping will be good. Why do you feel the need to argue in a thread in which op post is pretty self explanatory. We were starting and relying on multiple players who can’t even make another 53 man roster. Your crusade is so old. It’s really ok to acknowledge that whatever your thoughts are on Bryce Young, he started his career with a really bad supporting cast.

Olsen is the best move they made and honestly it was dumb luck. The Bears got absolutely fleeced. Shockey was here one season. Our GM got into a petty dispute with Steve Smith and sent him packing only for us to get wiped off the field by him when we faced him with the Ravens.

The tale of the Panthers through most of Cam's years involved comical failures of drafting offensive talent.

If it hurts your feelings for me to discuss this well I'm sorry but you'll keep on living somehow bud.

[PantherChris]

12 minutes ago, frankw said:

I mean Evans isn’t a speed guy himself he can be deceptively quick. His resume is his catch radius and his hands and using his size to his advantage. That's the comparison. Watch KB in 2014.

Dude KB is a slug compared to Evans, who while not a burner ISNT slow by WR standards.  Evans also runs great routes (KB ran routes like a middle schooler) 

KB was never ever going to be close to Mike Evans I dont need too i remember him posterizimg the Seahawks but yeah that was all just his size Evans has a much larger tool box.... (Although everyone over rates his hands the man drops 8+ passes a year he doesn't have great hands KB is comparable on that)

[frankw]

1 minute ago, PantherChris said:

Dude KB is a slug compared to Evans, who while not a burner ISNT slow by WR standards.  Evans also runs great routes (KB ran routes like a middle schooler) 

KB was never ever going to be close to Mike Evans I dont need too i remember him posterizimg the Seahawks but yeah that was all just his size Evans has a much larger tool box.... (Although everyone over rates his hands the man drops 8+ passes a year he doesn't have great hands KB is comparable on that)

Do we really need to argue over Kelvin Benjamin? Dude isn't worth anyone dying on a hill over. He had IMO potential to be a great WR. Which is true. But he ate himself out of a career and ultimately alienated anyone who was in his corner. That's on him. At the end of the day he's another Panthers bust. It is what it is.

[CRA]

17 minutes ago, Icege said:

And the team went 7-8-1 and KB went off for 1k+ yards as a rookie. I think we easily see at least 7 wins if TMac has a similar rookie year.

KB was never any good.  If you mass target anyone all season they eventually hit 1000 yards.  Think he was top 5 in targets that year.  Which always made his just barely 1k season way overstated. 

 

[WUnderhill]

1 minute ago, frankw said:

Olsen is the best move they made and honestly it was dumb luck. The Bears got absolutely fleeced. Shockey was here one season. Our GM got into a petty dispute with Steve Smith and sent him packing only for us to get wiped off the field by him when we faced him with the Ravens.

The tale of the Panthers through most of Cam's years involved comical failures of drafting offensive talent.

If it hurts your feelings for me to discuss this well I'm sorry but you'll keep on living somehow bud.

Your reading comprehension is off the charts bad. What part of “his rookie year” did you not understand? So we haven’t even started Bryce Young’s third season and you want to compare to Cam’s whole career because that’s what supports your crusade. It’s nonsensical but I’d expect no less. Owe were all pissed at the franchises lack of investment in Cam as his career went on, but you trying to compare what Cam started his career with to what Bryce Young started his career with is laughable and shows just how blinded you’ve become by your need to be right.

Keep projecting your insecurities “bud”. Most of this board is sick of you dragging every thread into the same tired bullshit.