WR drops

[CRA]

25 minutes ago, carpanfan96 said:

Fox sports tracks drops as well. 

Fox Sports has WRs drops for the same folks….plus a KC drop. Maybe it’s not all updated yet but pro football reference, Fox and those types are way more useful resources than Big Dawg Fantasy Takes that has 10 Panther drops pulled from Imagination Land.  

the real point is a drop by a WR isn’t justification for your QB being a complete nightmare….who then pads his stats to hide how horrific he was in the final 8 minutes.   WRs are imperfect in good days by good QBs. 

[Icege]

17 hours ago, CRA said:

I use Pro Football Reference.   Please advise if there is a better location to retrieve the actual NFL stats?  Maybe they haven't fully updated.   

PFF and fantasy football sites IMO aren't where it's at.   They seem to be in the entertainment game and manufacturing debate stage. 

 

PFR is a solid source but they take awhile to get completely updated as they're just an 11 - 50 employee company based out of Philly vs. PFF who has 201 - 500 employees and NFL contracts.

PFR tries to get advanced stats up by Tuesdays @ 6pm while PFF gets them out by noon the following day of the game.

Both tend to be finalized by Thursday/Friday, but I've seen PFR do a lot more adjusting up until Friday when I was using them most often before snagging a deal on a PFF membership. Hell, I still use both. Sports Reference LLC by far has the best advanced stats keeping for college that are publicly available.

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[CRA]

6 minutes ago, Icege said:

PFR is a solid source but they take awhile to get completely updated as they're just an 11 - 50 employee company based out of Philly vs. PFF who has 201 - 500 employees and NFL contracts.

PFR tries to get advanced stats up by Tuesdays @ 6pm while PFF gets them out by noon the following day of the game.

Both tend to be finalized by Thursday/Friday, but I've seen PFR do a lot more adjusting up until Friday when I was using them most often before snagging a deal on a PFF membership. Hell, I still use both. Sports Reference LLC by far has the best advanced stats keeping for college that are publicly available.

I feel like it is only a matter of time before they paywall it up like literally everything else is.  Which will stink.  It's a great place for all sports. 

[Icege]

17 hours ago, CRA said:

They aren't credited with drops.   That's just PFF.  Not sure why they are still being pimped this hard when week 1 really highlights how bad they can be at times.  Especially when they manufactured Bryce's grade like they did.  Some 1984 stuff going on there....PFF telling folks not to believe their eyes and ears. 

https://www.panthers.com/news/rapid-reactions-panthers-fall-to-jaguars-in-opener

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Bryce Young threw an interception and fumbled in the first half, turnovers that led to 10 Jaguars points. And then a promising drive to start the second half unraveled in the red zone, with a fourth-and-1 pass attempt thrown out of bounds with no one open.

It was a frustrating moment for Young, who slammed his helmet on the bench afterward.

But it was a frustrating day for the Panthers in general.

Dropped passes. Penalties that negated first downs (including an ineligible man downfield on center Austin Corbett). Snaps that seemed to get onto Young before he was anticipating them. A fourth-quarter pick six was waved off because of a penalty on the Jaguars, followed by another pick that allowed the Jaguars to kneel it out.

But there were also missed tackles on defense, and moments of apparent communication breakdowns.

Do you have any direct evidence that PFF is cooking up their grades to uplift players that the entire company wants to succeed as you've claimed?

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[CRA]

Just now, Icege said:

https://www.panthers.com/news/rapid-reactions-panthers-fall-to-jaguars-in-opener

Do you have any direct evidence that PFF is cooking up their grades to uplift players that the entire company wants to succeed as you've claimed?

What I know is if you are selling me that your "ratings" rank Bryce as a top 10 performance last Sunday at QB.......then something ain't right.  Everyone can hypothesize for fun as they wish but something isn't right with how you go about your grading there.   Bryce sort continues to stand out as a redflag in how they got about whatever they do there.  Week 1 highlights that so well (and it was spoken about last year often)

 

[Icege]

7 minutes ago, CRA said:

What I know is if you are selling me that your "ratings" rank Bryce as a top 10 performance last Sunday at QB.......then something ain't right.  Everyone can hypothesize for fun as they wish but something isn't right with how you go about your grading there.   Bryce sort continues to stand out as a redflag in how they got about whatever they do there.  Week 1 highlights that so well (and it was spoken about last year often)

 

What other football games did you watch during Week 1?

Also, are you saying top-10 overall or for a certain grade? Because... well... they didn't.

• Offense: 71.1 (19th)
• Passing: 71.8 (14th)
• Rushing: 56.2 (30th)
• Fumble: 29.1 (30th)

So what exactly are you talking about? Where does it say he had a top-10 performance last Sunday at QB?

 

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[CRA]

8 minutes ago, Icege said:

What other football games did you watch during Week 1?

Also, are you saying top-10 overall or for a certain grade?

also, let's not worry that they ranked him #9 overall to the avoid the maybe everyone was also bad logic being applied.  Let's just stick with how high of a grade they gave him.  Because it's not just where he was ranked.  They gave him a strong grade for the day he had. 

so again, if Bryce Young's performance on Sunday equals a solid grade in your ratings system (he was really bad)......then something is off with your grading.   I got no need to argue how wild that rating is they gave him Sunday.   It just flat out is.  If you can't smell something is off with PFF at times, then nothing would convince you.  It's been discussed for years that whatever they do over there (while good at many things).....often spits out some real bonkers stuff ( I don't know the why). BY week 1 highlights how bonkers they sometimes get. 

 

[Icege]

5 minutes ago, CRA said:

also, let's not worry that they ranked him #9 overall to the avoid the maybe everyone was also bad logic being applied.  Let's just stick with how high of a grade they gave him.  Because it's not just where he was ranked.  They gave him a strong grade for the day he had. 

so again, if Bryce Young's performance on Sunday equals a solid grade in your ratings system (he was really bad)......then something is off with your grading.   I got no need to argue how wild that rating is they gave him Sunday.   It just flat out is.  If you can't smell something is off with PFF at times, then nothing would convince you.  It's been discussed for years that whatever they do over there (while good at many things).....often spits out some real bonkers stuff ( I don't know the why). BY week 1 highlights how bonkers they sometimes get. 

 

No they didn't.

Bryce's Week 1 QB grades and where they rank against other QBs for week 1:

• Offense: 71.1 (19th)
• Passing: 71.8 (14th)
• Rushing: 56.2 (30th)
• Fumble: 29.1 (30th)

Again... Where in the world are you getting that PFF had Bryce ranked as a top-10 performance last Sunday? You're out here beating the "PFF is fraudulent" drum while doing nothing but sharing fraudulent info yourself.

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[Waldo]

2 minutes ago, CRA said:

also, let's not worry that they ranked him #9 overall to the avoid the maybe everyone was also bad logic being applied.  Let's just stick with how high of a grade they gave him.  Because it's not just where he was ranked.  They gave him a strong grade for the day he had. 

so again, if Bryce Young's performance on Sunday equals a solid grade in your ratings system (he was really bad)......then something is off with your grading.   I got no need to argue how wild that rating is they gave him Sunday.   It just flat out is.  If you can't smell something is off with PFF at times, then nothing would convince you.  It's been discussed for years that whatever they do over there (while good at many things).....often spits out some real bonkers stuff ( I don't know the why). BY week 1 highlights how bonkers they sometimes get. 

 

Their employees were hired to work in house and now ran a draft for thr GM and does who knows whatelse. Completey normal stuff. No chance of that relationship producing any unethical behavior whatsoever...and didn't PFF grade this draft highly?

[CRA]

7 minutes ago, Icege said:

No they didn't.

Bryce's Week 1 QB grades and where they rank against other QBs for week 1:

• Offense: 71.1 (19th)
• Passing: 71.8 (14th)
• Rushing: 56.2 (30th)
• Fumble: 29.1 (30th)

Again... Where in the world are you getting that PFF had Bryce ranked as a top-10 performance last Sunday? You're out here beating the "PFF is fraudulent" drum while doing nothing but sharing fraudulent info yourself.

One of ya'll posted it.  Screenshot in one of the threads. I quit paying years ago for that stuff. 

Did Bryce Young outplay Trevor Lawrence Sunday Icege?  Yes or no.  How about that. 

[Icege]

5 minutes ago, CRA said:

One of ya'll posted it.  Screenshot in one of the threads. I quit paying years ago for that stuff.  

Did Bryce Young outplay Trevor Lawrence Sunday Icege?  Yes or no. 

I originally thought no in the moment, but after going back and watching the film I can comfortably say yes.

TLaw did not deal with nearly the adversity Bryce did. For example, Josh Hines-Allen tallied eight pressures against the Panthers. The entire Panthers' pass rush, on the other hand, had a grand total of six pressures from the group. They got outproduced by two by a single player on the opposing team that was rushing against a back-up swing tackle.

Even the craziest Bryce haters can admit that that would cause problems even for prime Cam Newton.

I can also admit though that TLaw did not make nearly the same type of mistakes that Bryce did, but that was because of the near lack of adversity faced.

Where is the top-10 performance post? I've checked four threads so far and nothing... and why in the world did you take it at face value without doing your due diligence?

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[CRA]

Just now, Icege said:

I originally thought no in the moment, but after going back and watching the film I can comfortably say yes.

TLaw did not deal with nearly the adversity Bryce did. For example, Josh Hines-Allen tallied eight pressures against the Panthers. The entire Panthers' pass rush, on the other hand, had a grand total of six pressures from the entire group.

Even the craziest Bryce haters can admit that that would cause problems even for prime Cam Newton.

I can also admit though that TLaw did not make nearly the same type of mistakes that Bryce did, but that was because of the near lack of adversity faced.

Where is the top-10 performance post? I've checked four threads so far and nothing... and why in the world did you take it at face value without doing your due diligence?

but it's pretty obvious, everyone who watches football simply knew....BY didn't outplay Trevor.   It just didn't happen.  And you didn't think it happened.  Because it didn't happen. 

but, if you want to go back after the fact, slo mo film AND you just want things to of been better for Bryce?  Well, you can make that happen.   All you got to do is put on glasses and have the want.   You will find whatever you need.  Well, you know what....maybe he didn't botch that easy throw to Renfrow for a TD.  Maybe it was the pressure that forced a bad throw.  Everyone else could of been better.  It's really the OL that was bad.  Nothing he could of done now that I think about it.  Nevermind he could of just thrown it on time for an easy big play and the pressure wouldn't of existed....or the fact NFL QBs got to make it even with that type pressure.   

 

[CRA]

20 minutes ago, Icege said:

I originally thought no in the moment, but after going back and watching the film I can comfortably say yes.

TLaw did not deal with nearly the adversity Bryce did. For example, Josh Hines-Allen tallied eight pressures against the Panthers. The entire Panthers' pass rush, on the other hand, had a grand total of six pressures from the entire group.

Even the craziest Bryce haters can admit that that would cause problems even for prime Cam Newton.

I can also admit though that TLaw did not make nearly the same type of mistakes that Bryce did, but that was because of the near lack of adversity faced.

Where is the top-10 performance post? I've checked four threads so far and nothing... and why in the world did you take it at face value without doing your due diligence?

If you think someone shared some bad data on PFF (and is falsely slandering your PFF) well....then you post the QB rankings and show where that 71.5 stacks up week 1 vs the field. 

I don't pay for PFF and won't.  I just go off of what others say on PFF. 

[Bear Hands]

I want to know if Bo Nix is rated as the worst week 1 on PFF because he hands down was the worst QB this past weekend.  Even moreso than Tua. 

If he's not, then PFF may need to work on their algo haha.