Hey You, You Don't Know Quarterbacking

[fieryprophet]

2 hours ago, Cpt slay a ho said:

Respect the post but mid is mid, most that aren’t rage baiting etc can see the inconsistency in Bryce’s play, and it’s mostly due to watching bad qb play over numerous years in the nfl

We gotta stop the coddling of QBs, these guys are going to be taking up 1/3 of your overall cap space, to have shown what young has up to this point, there’s no way anyone should be comfortable getting ready to drop 40-50 mil per year on what we’ve seen on the field.

not his fault he got over drafted but no need to double down on a bad mistake(still has the remainder of this season to change the narrative)

It's absolutely on him to change his narrative, and fans deserve to be critical of perceived shortcomings when those shortcomings reflect actual performance failings. But those that just rage at any perception that he may be developing into the team's quarterback for the future (notice I said may, this is not a given at all) just need a reality check on their hyperbole, just like those who proclaim his proclivity for game-winning drives negates his failings that sometimes lead to those situations.

[kungfoodude]

23 minutes ago, fieryprophet said:

I'm going to be real, the reason that vote ended up so lop-sided by the end was directly due to my programming. So there's nothing tongue in cheek about it. Also I left PFF after the Collinsworth acquisition (didn't want to move to Cincy) but have stayed involved in analytics via backdoor channels, but I can absolutely say that the experience was eye-opening, not because those guys are unquestionable football savants and that I became one by proxy, but because the amount of information that becomes available outside of what the typical fan has access to is revelatory and also really drives home how much context is still being missed even with all of that information. You don't discover that you know everything, you discover how much you still can't know no matter how hard you try, hence my point about the NFL not being able to figure out what makes a QB good. There's a lot of AI work going into that now and even that only seems to further confuse things vs. actually enlighten the problem.

In the professional realm teams don't really talk about quarterbacks as A strictly being better than B, but how A can potentially perform better than B given a specific context of C. Of course those contexts may be wider for A than B, but there's also contexts where B can outshine A, even with lesser talent surrounding them. So what good teams strive to do is ultimately define a process of how they want their entire team to operate under schematically, find players that fit that scheme, and hopefully find a guy whose skillset will be maximized running that scheme with those players. Where bad teams fall of the wagon is constantly shifting those schemes and chasing bad fits or fads vs. sticking with a core identity and developing it.

Fair enough.

I don't think many would argue that situations can certainly make players(much like you are suggesting). However, when players keep changing situations and not being successful, what then?

This has always sort of been my point with the historical evaluation problem we have experienced as a franchise. 

Not saying it is 100% accurate but it's really, REALLY high. That's generally what my perception of Bryce is. He isn't a guy that is likely to be successful almost any place in the NFL.

 

[Cpt slay a ho]

21 minutes ago, fieryprophet said:

It's absolutely on him to change his narrative, and fans deserve to be critical of perceived shortcomings when those shortcomings reflect actual performance failings. But those that just rage at any perception that he may be developing into the team's quarterback for the future (notice I said may, this is not a given at all) just need a reality check on their hyperbole, just like those who proclaim his proclivity for game-winning drives negates his failings that sometimes lead to those situations.

Perfectly understandable