Trade for a QB?

[kungfoodude]

6 minutes ago, Captroop said:

The risk with FAs is we don't know what kind of shape they're in. All these guys are on NFL rosters now, so they're in playing shape. 

• Carson Wentz
• Taylor Heinicke  
• Mac Jones
• Jimmy Garoppolo

All of these guys are expendable on their current teams, and would be an improvement over our current QB room. I don't think any of these guys are demanding more than a 5th and maybe swap one of our backup QBs.

 

I mean two of those guys are literally starting for their teams so you can eliminate them as a possibility.

Hienicke is not on an NFL roster. We can literally just sign him.

Garopollo is the primary backup for an oft-injured QB, so unless they really like Stetson Bennett, I am not sure how viable that is. Also, Garopollo is literally worse than Dalton and significantly more injury prone.

[kungfoodude]

1 minute ago, LinvilleGorge said:

This is just a non-argument. Jameis and Howell are the guys being mentioned most often.  Jameis is an a two year/$8M contract and Howell is on a one year/$1.1M contract. What I'd be willing to do is something along the lines of a 6th rounder or a 5th/6th swap. I don't think anyone is talking about doing anything much more aggressive than something along those lines.

Jameis and Howell will extremely effectively lose games. Unsure if they will lose them more effectively than Hooker.

I am just not seeing the benefit for adding a third string QB. We aren't gonna tote a third stringer all season, I would think.

[LinvilleGorge]

3 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

Jameis and Howell will extremely effectively lose games. Unsure if they will lose them more effectively than Hooker.

I am just not seeing the benefit for adding a third string QB. We aren't gonna tote a third stringer all season, I would think.

I kinda just wanna see what the offense can do with a QB who has proven he can move the football in the NFL. If Dalton wasn't a shadow of his former self I'd be fine with him but Father Time has definitely caught up with him. If we start piling up the losses as the schedule gets tougher and the passing offense continues to be anemic that might cost Canales his job and it's worth a very low risk move IMO to at least give him a fighting chance. The thought of yet another Tepper rebuild just isn't at all exciting to me having already seen a few of them. I'm about giving this current guy a fighting chance.

I think Greg Cosell is exactly right. We're playing on offense the way we have to play with Bryce Young at QB. I'd be curious to see what it looks like with a QB with more arm talent and more willingness to push the ball down the field even if it comes with turnovers.

[kungfoodude]

3 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

I kinda just wanna see what the offense can do with a QB who has proven he can move the football in the NFL. If Dalton wasn't a shadow of his former self I'd be fine with him but Father Time has definitely caught up with him. If we start piling up the losses as the schedule gets tougher and the passing offense continues to be anemic that might cost Canales his job and it's worth a very low risk move IMO to at least give him a fighting chance. The thought of yet another Tepper rebuild just isn't at all exciting to me having already seen a few of them. I'm about giving this current guy a fighting chance.

I think Greg Cosell is exactly right. We're playing on offense the way we have to play with Bryce Young at QB. I'd be curious to see what it looks like with a QB with more arm talent and more willingness to push the ball down the field even if it comes with turnovers.

I am not in the camp that thinks you are gonna see better offense with Winston/Howell than Dalton. Dalton is a somewhat TO prone gunslinger, those two guys have never seen a window or coverage situation they wouldn't throw into. We really don't have the receiving corps to be snagging those kind of wrestling match balls, IMO.

Sure, in a different scenario, I would have been all over Flacco. He can at least run and offense and not cripple us with TO's. 

That's the issue I have with the gunslinging TO machine, we have already proven we are really capable of losing when our current TO machine QB does exactly that(5 TO's in the 3 losses, 4 TO's in the 4 wins).

[PNW_PantherMan]

If Dalton makes it through the season without finishing on IR it would be a miracle.  We need to add someone.  We’ve needed to add someone.

[LinvilleGorge]

1 minute ago, kungfoodude said:

I am not in the camp that thinks you are gonna see better offense with Winston/Howell than Dalton. Dalton is a somewhat TO prone gunslinger, those two guys have never seen a window or coverage situation they wouldn't throw into. We really don't have the receiving corps to be snagging those kind of wrestling match balls, IMO.

Sure, in a different scenario, I would have been all over Flacco. He can at least run and offense and not cripple us with TO's. 

That's the issue I have with the gunslinging TO machine, we have already proven we are really capable of losing when our current TO machine QB does exactly that(5 TO's in the 3 losses, 4 TO's in the 4 wins).

Dalton of old? Probably so. But man, Andy looked incredibly washed in the preseason. I don't think he's the same guy that was slinging it against the Seahawks that one game.

[SCO96]

20 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

I mean two of those guys are literally starting for their teams so you can eliminate them as a possibility.

Hienicke is not on an NFL roster. We can literally just sign him.

Garopollo is the primary backup for an oft-injured QB, so unless they really like Stetson Bennett, I am not sure how viable that is. Also, Garopollo is literally worse than Dalton and significantly more injury prone.

I honestly didn't know that Jimmy G was still in the NFL 

[OldhamA]

17 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

I kinda just wanna see what the offense can do with a QB who has proven he can move the football in the NFL. If Dalton wasn't a shadow of his former self I'd be fine with him but Father Time has definitely caught up with him. If we start piling up the losses as the schedule gets tougher and the passing offense continues to be anemic that might cost Canales his job and it's worth a very low risk move IMO to at least give him a fighting chance. The thought of yet another Tepper rebuild just isn't at all exciting to me having already seen a few of them. I'm about giving this current guy a fighting chance.

I think Greg Cosell is exactly right. We're playing on offense the way we have to play with Bryce Young at QB. I'd be curious to see what it looks like with a QB with more arm talent and more willingness to push the ball down the field even if it comes with turnovers.

I wouldn't have made the trade up for Young, but once there I'd have taken Stroud.

If you plugged him into this system right now we'd all be singing a different tune. 

[OldhamA]

5 minutes ago, PNW_PantherMan said:

If Dalton makes it through the season without finishing on IR it would be a miracle.  We need to add someone.  We’ve needed to add someone.

I don't worry about him getting hurt. I worry that his arm is completely shot. 

[kungfoodude]

3 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Dalton of old? Probably so. But man, Andy looked incredibly washed in the preseason. I don't think he's the same guy that was slinging it against the Seahawks that one game.

I have no issues with Dalton on a few games. If Bryce is out long term, that's probably a different discussion. I am just not in the camp that believes Dalton is washed up. Not as good as his prime, absolutely. 

I mean, the arm difference between him and Bryce just yesterday was pretty obvious. Not much of a bar, I do realize that. Still, I would say give it a chance next week. If he looks absolutely washed and Bryce is out for a while, pivot to another option.

[LinvilleGorge]

1 minute ago, OldhamA said:

I wouldn't have made the trade up for Young, but once there I'd have taken Stroud.

If you plugged him into this system right now we'd all be singing a different tune. 

Agreed. I don't think Stroud would've proven to be worth the cost of the move but honestly when you make that move anything short of legit MVP caliber is a disappointing outcome.

[LinvilleGorge]

1 minute ago, kungfoodude said:

I have no issues with Dalton on a few games. If Bryce is out long term, that's probably a different discussion. I am just not in the camp that believes Dalton is washed up. Not as good as his prime, absolutely. 

I mean, the arm difference between him and Bryce just yesterday was pretty obvious. Not much of a bar, I do realize that. Still, I would say give it a chance next week. If he looks absolutely washed and Bryce is out for a while, pivot to another option.

I'm fine with putting Dalton out there and seeing how it goes. That's why I'm hoping Bryce is gonna miss this week. We still have time. There's two games to go before the trade deadline so let's see what the rusty old Red Rifle has left.

[PNW_PantherMan]

I still say drafting Fields was the play even though he sucks.  It would have cost much less and we wouldn't be as staggered as we are now with the timing of Bryce's contract.  You add in the coach inheriting this problem.  It's just compounded itself multiple times over.

We should have just bit the bullet and taken the easy L.

[OldhamA]

2 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

I have no issues with Dalton on a few games. If Bryce is out long term, that's probably a different discussion. I am just not in the camp that believes Dalton is washed up. Not as good as his prime, absolutely. 

I mean, the arm difference between him and Bryce just yesterday was pretty obvious. Not much of a bar, I do realize that. Still, I would say give it a chance next week. If he looks absolutely washed and Bryce is out for a while, pivot to another option.

He bounced around the league before landing here to hold Bryce's hand. 

He looked good in one spot start last season then was bad enough that they felt confident in putting Young back in.