I'm All In On Drafting a QB in Round 1

[Navy_football]

17 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

The problem with making that move up for Bryce is that if he's not a HOFer it basically wasn't worth it. You're going to be in a roster talent deficiency for several years due to the amount of roster building capital we had to give up. And the bust rate for QBs is just too high to go THAT all in on a prospect. If we had earned the #1 overall pick and didn't have to trade all that capital to get it we wouldn't be in near as bad of a spot overall. But when you go all in and it blows up in your face it hurts bad and it hurts for years.

Agree. No QB in that draft was worth going from #9 to #1. AR has the athletic traits but not the football IQ. 

[LinvilleGorge]

1 minute ago, PNW_PantherMan said:

Going all-in with odds that are worse than a coin flip.  Just not a good idea.

Especially when you're all in on a guy who has a historic lack of NFL measurables. The comps out there for Bryce are non-existent. I've never seen the entire football world so collectively completely overlook a total lack of measurables like that before. Usually draft prospects get nitpicked to death to the point of absurdity but with Bryce it was everyone coming up with mental gymnastics as to why he'll be able to totally overcome it.

[LinvilleGorge]

1 minute ago, Navy_football said:

Agree. No QB in that draft was worth going from #9 to #1. AR has the athletic traits but not the football IQ. 

I mean, how many QBs currently in the league would've actually been worth what we gave up in that trade? A handful at most. You're banking on this guy being a surefire perennial All-Pro MVP candidate future HOFer. That's an extreme longshot bet in the draft no matter how you slice it.

[Navy_football]

23 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

That's never gonna be T-Mac's game. He's basically a Plaxico Burress clone. XL was drafted to be that guy he just sucks.

I think he's a little more dynamic after the catch than Plaxico. But he definitely hasn't reached Plaxico's ability to muscle the ball from DBs. Eli would just throw it up for him everytime they blitzed him. Big Ben did the same thing.

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6 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

This is the thought process from Browns ownership that brought Shedeur to Cleveland. Is everyone just going to willfully continue to ignore that Shedeur looked completely awful except against our camp bodies? He didn't do anything in that game until we pulled all of our starters and primary backups and he didn't do anything in any of his other appearances.

The difference I see is we are actually a better unit offensively then the Browns. 

[Navy_football]

1 minute ago, LinvilleGorge said:

I mean, how many QBs currently in the league would've actually been worth what we gave up in that trade? A handful at most. You're banking on this guy being a surefire perennial All-Pro MVP candidate future HOFer. That's an extreme longshot bet in the draft no matter how you slice it.

Honestly, on this team, in 2023, only a Lamar Jackson clone would have had any degree of success. 

[LinvilleGorge]

Just now, Navy_football said:

I think he's a little more dynamic after the catch than Plaxico. But he definitely hasn't reached Plaxico's ability to muscle the ball from DBs. Eli would just throw it up for him everytime they blitzed him. Big Ben did the same thing.

I think he'll get there in that regard. I actually think the better comp stylistically for T-Mac is Larry Fitzgerald but I didn't want to get the blowback from that comp. LOL 

I'm not saying T-Mac will be Fitzgerald, I'm just saying they win in similar ways. They're big guys but aren't necessarily physically overpowering. They win with good route running, sneaky speed, and great hands.

[LinvilleGorge]

Just now, scratched said:

The difference I see is we are actually a better unit offensively then the Browns. 

The similarity is that Shedeur is still gonna be Shedeur. Major distraction with marginal NFL talent. That's why he plummeted in the draft and very well may have gone undrafted if the Browns owner didn't step in and tell the football people to get him those press clippings.

[CRA]

1 minute ago, Navy_football said:

Honestly, on this team, in 2023, only a Lamar Jackson clone would have had any degree of success. 

not true.  OL is good.  Run game is good.  We have seen a ton of QBs have middle of the road or better offense w/ that foundation.   It's a long list.   Whether it's from the jump or injury creates it. 

[Navy_football]

10 minutes ago, TD alt said:

Shakir and T-Mac are very different receivers, and Josh and Bryce are very different QBs.  

They're very different WRs. One can catch a 5 yards curl and take it 50 yards to the house. That's more of what this team needs. That's more of a Bryce Young WR. He plays the short game. Need guys that scare you after the catch. 

[Navy_football]

2 minutes ago, CRA said:

not true.  OL is good.  Run game is good.  We have seen a ton of QBs have middle of the road or better offense w/ that foundation.   It's a long list.   Whether it's from the jump or injury creates it. 

2023? No.

2025? Yes. Just need some speed on the edges. 

[LinvilleGorge]

6 minutes ago, CRA said:

not true.  OL is good.  Run game is good.  We have seen a ton of QBs have middle of the road or better offense w/ that foundation.   It's a long list.   Whether it's from the jump or injury creates it. 

He's talking about Bryce's rookie season. I'm done talking about his rookie season. A lot of the issues have been addressed and Bryce still looks like his ceiling is low level game manager. He just has too many physical shortcomings to overcome and the frustrating thing is that seemed blatantly obvious to me and many others on here coming into the draft. You just can't recreate Saban-era Alabama in the NFL where you have a talent advantage at nearly every position across the board almost every game.

[CRA]

11 minutes ago, Navy_football said:

2023? No.

2025? Yes. Just need some speed on the edges. 

2023 was billed as literally the best landing spot for any rookie QB....

Bryce Young just isn't a NFL QB.  He can't run an O that isn't super Bryce centric.  That's what we have found out.  And you see that every single season he has played.  He doesn't elevate, he lowers. 

Frank Reich was an offensive Fox/Rivera.   He wasn't the idiot Bryce made everyone look to be.   Tepper forced a dude that isn't a NFL QB on the field week 1 that everyone that was coaching knew he couldn't do. 

[Navy_football]

1 minute ago, CRA said:

2023 was billed as literally the best landing spot for any rookie QB....

Bryce Young just isn't a NFL QB.  He can't run an O that isn't super Bryce centric.  That's what we have found out.  And you see that every single season he has played.  He doesn't elevate, he lowers. 

Frank Reich was an offensive Fox/Rivera.   He was the idiot Bryce made everyone look to be.   Tepper forced a dude that isn't a NFL QB on the field week 1 that everyone that was coaching knew he couldn't do. 

I'm not trying to argue with you, but "billed" vs reality are two competely different things. And it definitely played out to not be a good landing spot for a rookie.