Just our luck

[LinvilleGorge]

49 minutes ago, SCO96 said:

Back in August I had to go to Hilton Head for a business meeting. I listened to a podcast one morning while I was getting dressed. The guest was Eric Dickerson. During the interview he said that he was told by a very high placed source inside the NFL office that teams were told to NOT DRAFT SANDERS in order to send him a message. I guess after the NFL felt he had fallen far enough, Cleveland received a phone call from the league telling them to draft him, who had no intention of doing so until they got that call.

This is why I'd like to see him at least get a shot at competing for a starting job somewhere on the league. If he turns out to be a jerk, let the team cut him. The NFL shouldn't be telling someone not to draft someone who doesn't have a criminal record and isn't a source of embarrassment  to the NFL brand. They let Deshaun Watson back in the league and get a FULL GUARANTEED CONTRACT 5 YEAR CONTRACT FOR $230 MILLION after being accused of sexually assaulting almost 2 dozen women.

Start at the 1:47 mark.

 

 

Just reeks of bullshit. Good college QB but when you were watching him as an NFL prospect the physical limitations and playing style concerns were very obvious. Teams across the league almost certainly evaluated him as a backup QB prospect and the last thing you want out of a backup QB is a distraction. Strip away the media hype job, add in all the reports that Shedeur essentially completely blew off the pre-draft process and turned teams off essentially cementing what many already thought and nothing about his draft plummet was surprising. Watch the Browns draft room as the pick was announced. It's very obvious that wasn't their pick. The owner stepped on and said get me that press attention. Why would that have happened if there was a directive from the league not to draft him? It just doesn't pass the bullshit litmus test. 

[kungfoodude]

27 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Just reeks of bullshit. Good college QB but when you were watching him as an NFL prospect the physical limitations and playing style concerns were very obvious. Teams across the league almost certainly evaluated him as a backup QB prospect and the last thing you want out of a backup QB is a distraction. Strip away the media hype job, add in all the reports that Shedeur essentially completely blew off the pre-draft process and turned teams off essentially cementing what many already thought and nothing about his draft plummet was surprising. Watch the Browns draft room as the pick was announced. It's very obvious that wasn't their pick. The owner stepped on and said get me that press attention. Why would that have happened if there was a directive from the league not to draft him? It just doesn't pass the bullshit litmus test. 

Which, it's not a difficult sell to say that the NFL colludes against players. There are ample examples of it.

The specificity of that allegation is just wild, though. If that really were true, the whole fuging system is fixed. I am just not inclined to believe that. 

[SCO96]

11 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Just reeks of bullshit. Good college QB but when you were watching him as an NFL prospect the physical limitations and playing style concerns were very obvious. Teams across the league almost certainly evaluated him as a backup QB prospect and the last thing you want out of a backup QB is a distraction. Strip away the media hype job, add in all the reports that Shedeur essentially completely blew off the pre-draft process and turned teams off essentially cementing what many already thought and nothing about his draft plummet was surprising. Watch the Browns draft room as the pick was announced. It's very obvious that wasn't their pick. The owner stepped on and said get me that press attention. Why would that have happened if there was a directive from the league not to draft him? It just doesn't pass the bullshit litmus test. 

Everyone is entitled to their opinion. I for one do not believe Eric Dickerson went on this podcast just to perpetuate a blatant lie. He didn't say he heard this second hand. He said he was told this by a source inside the NFL office.

No way that kid should have fallen to the fifth round with the QB situation that exists on some of the teams in the NFL. I had the same thoughts as Dickerson after he didn't go on the 2nd day of the draft. And when he did get drafted he ended up on a team with essentially 4 QBs ahead of him on the depth chart: Flacco, Pickett, Gabriel, and Watson. The only reason he probably was drafted at all was so the NFL couldn't be accused of "collusion".

I have no doubt his attitude turned off some people. And, he may not be able to take his game to the NFL level. But, if can't play or is a jerk, a team is at liberty to cut him at any time. This situation reeks because it looks he's never going to be given a legit chance to compete for a starting job in the league.

[SCO96]

1 minute ago, kungfoodude said:

Which, it's not a difficult sell to say that the NFL colludes against players. There are ample examples of it.

I'm glad you have a mind open enough to acknowledge this truth.

[CPF4LIFE]

After watching Gabriel for a couple weeks who was drafted higher you are just spitting complete bs trying to convince me Sanders isn't worth it. 

[LinvilleGorge]

15 minutes ago, SCO96 said:

Everyone is entitled to their opinion. I for one do not believe Eric Dickerson went on this podcast just to perpetuate a blatant lie. He didn't say he heard this second hand. He said he was told this by a source inside the NFL office.

No way that kid should have fallen to the fifth round with the QB situation that exists on some of the teams in the NFL. I had the same thoughts as Dickerson after he didn't go on the 2nd day of the draft. And when he did get drafted he ended up on a team with essentially 4 QBs ahead of him on the depth chart: Flacco, Pickett, Gabriel, and Watson. The only reason he probably was drafted at all was so the NFL couldn't be accused of "collusion".

I have no doubt his attitude turned off some people. And, he may not be able to take his game to the NFL level. But, if can't play or is a jerk, a team is at liberty to cut him at any time. This situation reeks because it looks he's never going to be given a legit chance to compete for a starting job in the league.

Did you read my post? Do you have any disagreement? I mean, his physical skill set was very limited for an NFL QB. His scramble around hold the ball forever before chucking it up to the #2 overall pick playing style didn't translate to the NFL. He had a diva reputation that was only solidified by his treatment of the pre-draft process.

Sometimes you just gotta apply Occam's Razor. Which is more likely, a league wide conspiracy or a guy who looked like a mid-late round draft prospect went in the mid-late rounds. You both into the media hype job.

Now with that said, if I'm the Browns I'm gonna play him. Gabriel looks like pure trash.ight as well give Sanders a look. Nothing to lose.

[SCO96]

Just now, LinvilleGorge said:

Did you read my post? Do you have any disagreement? I mean, his physical skill set was very limited for an NFL QB. His scramble around hold the ball forever before chucking it up to the #2 overall pick playing style didn't translate to the NFL. He had a diva reputation that was only solidified by his treatment of the pre-draft process.

Sometimes you just gotta apply Occam's Razor. Which is more likely, a league wide conspiracy or a guy who looked like a mid-late round draft prospect went in the mid-late rounds. You both into the media hype job.

I actually agree with you to some degree in terms of his talent. I think Deion did over estimate his son's ability. Still, he should not have been drafted two rounds after Dylan Gabriel and Jalen Milroe.

I get not wanting a camp/team distraction too. But, Dickerson said he was told this by someone in the NFL league office. Dickerson is a straight shooter. He's not going to put a story out like that if he knew it was false. 

[Cpt slay a ho]

Taking a flyer on sanders is low risk high reward 

idk why there’s such an outrage whenever his name is brought up 

you either ball or you don’t 

[kungfoodude]

21 minutes ago, SCO96 said:

Everyone is entitled to their opinion. I for one do not believe Eric Dickerson went on this podcast just to perpetuate a blatant lie. He didn't say he heard this second hand. He said he was told this by a source inside the NFL office.

No way that kid should have fallen to the fifth round with the QB situation that exists on some of the teams in the NFL. I had the same thoughts as Dickerson after he didn't go on the 2nd day of the draft. And when he did get drafted he ended up on a team with essentially 4 QBs ahead of him on the depth chart: Flacco, Pickett, Gabriel, and Watson. The only reason he probably was drafted at all was so the NFL couldn't be accused of "collusion".

I have no doubt his attitude turned off some people. And, he may not be able to take his game to the NFL level. But, if can't play or is a jerk, a team is at liberty to cut him at any time. This situation reeks because it looks he's never going to be given a legit chance to compete for a starting job in the league.

 

19 minutes ago, SCO96 said:

I'm glad you have a mind open enough to acknowledge this truth.

I am not saying it's impossible but it seems improbable. Also, the overall benefit of doing this is very minimal. The collusion against Colin Kaepernick had obvious roots. The collusion against Lamar Jackson or the continuance of 100% guaranteed QB contracts in general in the post Watson era made obvious sense.

Colluding against a middle round QB prospect just doesn't make much sense. There have been more arrogant folks than Sanders and far worse human beings that didn't need any sort of collusion.

I think it's more likely that he generally turned off a bunch of people with how he handled the process and also that he wasn't viewed as a good enough prospect to be worth some of the media headache. That has happened to ample prospects and NFL veterans before. Sometimes it just isn't worth the headache.

Hell, we had one of those. Diontae Johnson. Notice his employment status currently.

[kungfoodude]

5 minutes ago, Cpt slay a ho said:

Taking a flyer on sanders is low risk high reward 

idk why there’s such an outrage whenever his name is brought up 

you either ball or you don’t 

The outrage should definitely be the poster suggesting we view him as an appreciating asset. That's literally the most insane take I could possibly imagine. He has depreciated if anything.

Anything above a conditional 7th is pure desperation. It's just as likely he simply gets released in the offseason and is generally available. 

[SCO96]

11 minutes ago, Cpt slay a ho said:

Taking a flyer on sanders is low risk high reward 

idk why there’s such an outrage whenever his name is brought up 

you either ball or you don’t 

I wouldn't give a Day 1 or Day 2 pick for him at this stage. A day 3 pick is an entirely different matter. If he were released and picked up a FA that would be even better. As you pointed out "low risk, high reward".

Personally, I'd rather see Levis or Howell get a shot based on what we have on the roster right now. Plus, they both have started games in the NFL. But, I think Sanders has much more upside than our current starter..

Edited 13 minutes ago by SCO96

[LinvilleGorge]

1 minute ago, kungfoodude said:

 

I am not saying it's impossible but it seems improbable. Also, the overall benefit of doing this is very minimal. The collusion against Colin Kaepernick had obvious roots. The collusion against Lamar Jackson or the continuance of 100% guaranteed QB contracts in general in the post Watson era made obvious sense.

Colluding against a middle round QB prospect just doesn't make much sense. There have been more arrogant folks than Sanders and far worse human beings that didn't need any sort of collusion.

I think it's more likely that he generally turned off a bunch of people with how he handled the process and also that he wasn't viewed as a good enough prospect to be worth some of the media headache. That has happened to ample prospects and NFL veterans before. Sometimes it just isn't worth the headache.

Hell, we had one of those. Diontae Johnson. Notice his employment status currently.

But Kaepernick didn't get colluded against either. The Broncos offered him a decent contract and he tried it down. Cam and The Golden Calf of Bristol didn't get colluded against either. It's just that when you're a backup QB you're supposed to be out of sight, out of mind. The last thing you want is a distraction.

Is there collusion between teams on some things? Yeah, for sure. But I don't think it's happening on mid-late round draft picks and backup QBs. 

[Cpt slay a ho]

Just now, kungfoodude said:

The outrage should definitely be the poster suggesting we view him as an appreciating asset. That's literally the most insane take I could possibly imagine. He has depreciated if anything.

Anything above a conditional 7th is pure desperation. It's just as likely he simply gets released in the offseason and is generally available. 

that’s 100% fair, shouldn't have to overpay for him, just comments about his play, attitude etc I think get lost in the sauce, I don’t really care deeply about that stuff as long as the translation on the field shows and the locker room isn’t split because of it 

[kungfoodude]

8 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

But Kaepernick didn't get colluded against either. The Broncos offered him a decent contract and he tried it down. Cam and The Golden Calf of Bristol didn't get colluded against either. It's just that when you're a backup QB you're supposed to be out of sight, out of mind. The last thing you want is a distraction.

Is there collusion between teams on some things? Yeah, for sure. But I don't think it's happening on mid-late round draft picks and backup QBs. 

The Kaepernick collusion was extremely obvious. It didn't help that he was a below average starting QB. Ask Watson if controversies matter when the league views you as elite.

Yes eventually they "gave" him a shot but it was as much a PR stunt from the NFL as anything. That one was pretty cut and dried. 

IDC, fug him. He made fun of Cam.

6 minutes ago, Cpt slay a ho said:

that’s 100% fair, shouldn't have to overpay for him, just comments about his play, attitude etc I think get lost in the sauce, I don’t really care deeply about that stuff as long as the translation on the field shows and the locker room isn’t split because of it 

I care if he is a locker room cancer. I have no idea his level of NFL play because he hasn't played. My personal opinion is there is no fuging way he could be that much worse than Dillon Gabriel.