The quality stats USUALLY tell the story: Bryce outplayed Stafford today...and the Panthers won

[SCO96]

Check out the final stat line for Young 

C/ATT	YDS	AVG	TD	INT	SACKS	RTG
15/20	206	10.3	3	0	2-12	147.1

 

Stafford:

C/ATT	YDS	AVG	TD	INT	SACKS	RTG
18/28	243	8.7	2	2	2-16	85.9

About a year or two ago I heard Keyshawn Johnson make a statement that I have never forgotten. I don't have the exact quote, but I'll paraphrase.

You don't need your QB to throw for 300 yards every week. All you need is:

1) A  guy who can drop back 20-25 times per game and not turn the ball over.

2) Pass for approximately 200-220 yards per game

3) Make about 2-3 explosive pass completions per game 

4) Put over 21 points on the scoreboard for most weeks. 

Bryce did all of the above and we won.

I'd like to add that he won the crucial Yards/attempt battle today as well. A passer who averages 7.0 yds/att is a solid player.

Stafford score was 8.7, which is way above the normal. He only lost today because of the turnovers.

Bryce averaged 10.3! That's an elite performance for 20 drop-backs. 

[Aussie Tank]

Adams and Puka make life alot easier for a QB also 

[joeyxfresco]

This also the first offensive game all season where I felt we blended a lot of things that work for us into a complete game. Everyone ate their piece of the pie. Want more of this and less of the Falcons Bryce takeovers and Rico forced runs. 9ers game showed how one dimensional we can get with the script. This game showed adaptability and responding to whatever the defense throws at us. Loved every bit of it 

[tukafan21]

2 minutes ago, SCO96 said:

Check out the final stat line for Young 

C/ATT	YDS	AVG	TD	INT	SACKS	RTG
15/20	206	10.3	3	0	2-12	147.1

 

Stafford:

C/ATT	YDS	AVG	TD	INT	SACKS	RTG
18/28	243	8.7	2	2	2-16	85.9

About a year or two ago I heard Keyshawn Johnson make a statement that I have never forgotten. I don't have the exact quote, but I'll paraphrase.

You don't need your QB to throw for 300 yards every week. All you need is:

1) A  guy who can drop back 20-25 times per game and not turn the ball over.

2) Pass for approximately 200-220 yards per game

3) Make about 2-3 explosive pass completions per game 

4) Put over 21 points on the scoreboard for most weeks. 

Bryce did all of the above and we won.

I'd like to add that he won the crucial Yards/attempt battle today as well. A passer who averages 7.0 yds/att is a solid player.

Stafford score was 8.7, which is way above the normal. He only lost today because of the turnovers.

Bryce averaged 10.3! That's an elite performance for 20 drop-backs. 

So there's a couple issues with this thinking about the type of QB you need to win games.

Those QB's win regular season games, but they do not win you playoff games in this day and age of the NFL.  And that's what the anti-Bryce people have been saying for years, he's just never going to be that type of QB who can drag an inferior team to wins because of their QB play.

The other is "make 2-3 explosive completions per game" is giving a lot of credit to Bryce for making 2 throws today that literally every single starting QB should be able to make with their eyes closed.  He made two well placed lofted throws with no safety help on either of them, that yes, lead to an explosive play, but aren't exactly ones you can objectively say were explosive because of the QB's throw.

Also all of your post fails to recognize that in the end, Bryce still didn't "win us this game" as much as Stafford's turnovers cost the Rams the game.

[Panthering]

4 minutes ago, Aussie Tank said:

Adams and Puka make life alot easier for a QB also 

and McVay, and having a cannon for an arm and the savvy of a 15 year vet or however long he's played at this point. 

[chknwing]

We all know Bryce has some skills and can play the issue is the mind numbing wtf play stat he leads in.  For example the pick in the end zone last week instead of just walking it in.

[Diehardpanth02]

10 minutes ago, Aussie Tank said:

Adams and Puka make life alot easier for a QB also 

It’s honestly wild how good that duo is. Puka is one big strong mfr. I lost count how many receivers he mossed or trucked today. 
 

and Davante is a menace in the redzone. His quick sharp cuts are unguardable.

[SCO96]

9 minutes ago, tukafan21 said:

So there's a couple issues with this thinking about the type of QB you need to win games.

Those QB's win regular season games, but they do not win you playoff games in this day and age of the NFL.  And that's what the anti-Bryce people have been saying for years, he's just never going to be that type of QB who can drag an inferior team to wins because of their QB play.

The other is "make 2-3 explosive completions per game" is giving a lot of credit to Bryce for making 2 throws today that literally every single starting QB should be able to make with their eyes closed.  He made two well placed lofted throws with no safety help on either of them, that yes, lead to an explosive play, but aren't exactly ones you can objectively say were explosive because of the QB's throw.

Also all of your post fails to recognize that in the end, Bryce still didn't "win us this game" as much as Stafford's turnovers cost the Rams the game.

To be fair, when Keyshawn was speaking he also said that the above scenario is most affective when the team is solid on both sides of the ball. He mentioned his 2002 Tampa team that won the SB with Brad Johnson as their QB but was known for their smothering defense with Brooks, Sapp, Rice, Lynch, and Barber.

Still, you really can't argue with what Keyshawn said. If Bruce put the above stat-line up every week, had a run game that averaged over 4.0 per attempt and 120 yds per game, with this year's defense, NO TEAM IN THE NFC WOULD WANT TO PLAY US IN THE PLAYOFFS

[tukafan21]

1 minute ago, SCO96 said:

To be fair, when Keyshawn was speaking he also said that the above scenario is most affective when the team is solid on both sides of the ball. He mentioned his 2002 Tampa team that won the SB with Brad Johnson as their QB but was known for their smothering defense with Brooks, Sapp, Rice, Lynch, and Barber.

Still, you really can't argue with what Keyshawn said. If Bruce put the above stat-line up every week, had a run game that averaged over 4.0 per attempt and 120 yds per game, with this year's defense, NO TEAM IN THE NFC WOULD WANT TO PLAY US IN THE PLAYOFFS

Oh I get what he was saying, but it really was more applicable 2 decades ago than today.

In today's game you get last year's Vikings.

A team that might put up a good record when the ball bounces their way enough times, but in the end, that QB isn't going to be able to will the team to victories when it's needed and they're going to end up losing badly in the big games when it matters because they're not able to step up when needed.

If Stafford doesn't have 2 red zone turnovers and a pick 6, I don't think Bryce is willing the team to victory today in that weather.  

[Proudiddy]

24 minutes ago, SCO96 said:

Check out the final stat line for Young 

C/ATT	YDS	AVG	TD	INT	SACKS	RTG
15/20	206	10.3	3	0	2-12	147.1

 

Stafford:

C/ATT	YDS	AVG	TD	INT	SACKS	RTG
18/28	243	8.7	2	2	2-16	85.9

About a year or two ago I heard Keyshawn Johnson make a statement that I have never forgotten. I don't have the exact quote, but I'll paraphrase.

You don't need your QB to throw for 300 yards every week. All you need is:

1) A  guy who can drop back 20-25 times per game and not turn the ball over.

2) Pass for approximately 200-220 yards per game

3) Make about 2-3 explosive pass completions per game 

4) Put over 21 points on the scoreboard for most weeks. 

Bryce did all of the above and we won.

I'd like to add that he won the crucial Yards/attempt battle today as well. A passer who averages 7.0 yds/att is a solid player.

Stafford score was 8.7, which is way above the normal. He only lost today because of the turnovers.

Bryce averaged 10.3! That's an elite performance for 20 drop-backs. 

While I don’t disagree with Key’s take at all, I’ll add the caveats that:

*you have to have a QB you trust to do those things

*he has to do them consistently

and that’s been the issue with Bryce.  We don’t and he hasn’t.  I’m hoping he does the remainder of this season.

Also, I think it goes without saying, for Key’s musts to work, you have to have a great defense and incredible run game in the modern NFL.  Again, what he cites can work, but it is a bit of an antiquated approach to quarterbacking and offense in general now.  That was a great blueprint in the 90s.  It can work, but it’s tough to have all those pieces align.

[CRA]

Bryce didn’t outplay Stafford.  Stafford was asked to be a NFL QB all game and mistakes were made.   Bryce was treated like a 3rd string QB the entire game…..and then on 4th down Canales frankly called 2 really dumb plays that worked out insanely well.  The exact calls people have said are why he shouldn’t be a NFL coach.  We have seen the need 2 yards and Bryce chucking it incomplete on repeat this year 

 

[SCO96]

11 minutes ago, tukafan21 said:

12 minutes ago, tukafan21 said:

If Stafford doesn't have 2 red zone turnovers and a pick 6, I don't think Bryce is willing the team to victory today in that weather.  

 

I can't argue with your statement.

But, Stafford didn't follow Keyshawn's script. He threw 2 INTs (one for a pick 6) and lost a 3rd turnover on a strip sack on a potential game winning drive. He turned the ball over and Bryce DIDN'T.