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Joe Person: Ickey is expected to be extended, Mays is someone we want to keep long term, TE, LB and OLB are our biggest needs heading into the offseason

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38 minutes ago, SmokinwithWilly said:

Which was my point. And entrenched starter can lose his job due to extremely poor play and Bryce has had literally the worst QB play in the NFL since being drafted. He hasn't even had to face a remotely capable QB in camp and he's being kept starter for some other reason than performance after 3 years. I'd call that coddling. 

He had the best statistical performance of his career just a few weeks ago and beat an expected Super Bowl team in his last game.

The team isn't gonna look at that and go "okay, but remember when he sucked as a rookie?"

The only chance I see of any changes happening is if the last four games are unmitigated, biblical level disasters.

If Bryce has even decent performances though, and more importantly, we win two to three of those games, well... 😕

 

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16 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

It's not a comparison to Mayfield. It's an illustration of how NFL teams work and think.

And sorry, but what you're hoping to see here is wishful thinking. 

You literally did compare him to Mayfield. One is a top 10 QB, one is a bottom 10 QB. NFL teams replace crappy QBs all the time.

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You literally did compare him to Mayfield. One is a top 10 QB, one is a bottom 10 QB. NFL teams replace crappy QBs all the time.

Nope. It was an illustration of team thinking  Could have used any established starter in the league from Daniel Jones to Josh Allen and the point would have been the same.

I used Mayfield primarily because he's a familiar face / name to us. 

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10 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

He had the best statistical performance of his career just a few weeks ago and beat an expected Super Bowl team in his last game.

The team isn't gonna look at that and go "okay, but remember when he sucked as a rookie?"

The only chance I see of any changes happening is if the last four games are unmitigated, biblical level disasters.

If Bryce has even decent performances though, and more importantly, we win two to three of those games, well... 😕

 

He didn't just suck as a rookie. He sucked TWO WEEKS AGO 

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1 minute ago, Mr. Scot said:

How'd he do last week?

Very good. But he's been bad most of this year. You think they're going to make a huge decision that involves nine figures because two games?

The team and FO know most of the wins have been in spite of him, not because of him.

I don't know why you won't just admit you think he's the guy, it's not an insane position, it's just not popular on this board.

You keep saying what you think the team thinks, what do you think?

Where would you rank him among NFL QBs?

Would you extend his contact?

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1 hour ago, SmokinwithWilly said:

Which was my point. And entrenched starter can lose his job due to extremely poor play and Bryce has had literally the worst QB play in the NFL since being drafted. He hasn't even had to face a remotely capable QB in camp and he's being kept starter for some other reason than performance after 3 years. I'd call that coddling. 

I don't think it's coddling, I think it's straight denial.

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26 minutes ago, Sup said:

He didn't just suck as a rookie. He sucked TWO WEEKS AGO 

I mean we have no idea what will happen, with any certainty. But there is pudding that has proved he is totally capable of going right back to overwhelmed/outmatched the very next game following a record setting day. 

IOW he definitely looks like he has improved but has also looked like it is still 2023. 
 

Everybody wants to hand out the trophy now. Every time he plays well. Best to not do that and see what happens. Really looking forward to the Saints game. 

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I think some people are missing a simple point. If you put a ton of resources into a guy, you're going to give him every chance to succeed. That's reasonable, not stupid.

But that benefit of the doubt has its limits, and three years is pretty much the limit. Unless he consistently plays very well the last four weeks he either will be gone or at least will have a fight on his hands.

You can't just look at the past and assume it will continue into the future.

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33 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

He had the best statistical performance of his career just a few weeks ago and beat an expected Super Bowl team in his last game.

The team isn't gonna look at that and go "okay, but remember when he sucked as a rookie?"

The only chance I see of any changes happening is if the last four games are unmitigated, biblical level disasters.

If Bryce has even decent performances though, and more importantly, we win two to three of those games, well... 😕

 

The Atl game was an anomaly. 200 air yards with 250 YAC. That may be a record day on the stat sheet but that is not normal production. Does Bryce get credit for Tremble running over 5 Atl defenders for 45 extra yards? 

He didn't beat a Super Bowl contender by himself. Seems I remember an interception in the end zone, one returned for a touchdown and a strip sack turnover when the Rams were driving. Pretty sure the D had a significant role in that win with those takeaways.

Without that defensive TD, that's a loss. And it's not like our offense was in a shootout keeping pace with theirs. They were driving on our defense all day long at will. That pick in the end zone. Like a TD or field goal. That's at least a 10-17 point swing from those 2 plays by the defense. 

You think we were making that up? It took 2 4th down gambles to score because we couldnt sustain drives. And Bryce with 20 passing attempts all day is not leading an offense that was a 2:1 run to pass ratio. 

You can say Bryce had a great game. I say he had 3 great plays. The rest of the time, he was invisible. 

You're arguing he's going to get the option based of an anomaly game he hasn't come close to repeating in 3 seasons and team win, heavily influenced by takeaways and defensive scoring. And in SF, he didn't look like a rookie. He looked like the QB that got benched week 2 of his 2nd year. I think even discussing the option is asinine at this point. 

Let him finish the year. If he puts up 4 more ATL games, offer the 5th. He puts up another SF or 2, the 5th year should never be mentioned again. 

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