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Franchise QB Dominates


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1 minute ago, raleigh-panther said:

Probably so but this is the position the Panthers owner and front office put the team in

we say, they shoulda waited, they,shoulda drafted Stroud

…all of,that does no good in the world of cap, contracts and building a team 

it will take at least one more year to remove the Fitterer, Rhule, Tepper stench that brought him here 

I watched Drake Maye today and he could’ve been playing in Carolina but for lack of,patience 

what’s the saying ‘if a frog had wings it wouldn’t bump its ass’.   Franchise does a lot of unnecessary ass bumping.  

Or fuging Daniels or even Caleb fuging Williams.

We made such a massive mistake with Bryce.

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Just now, CRA said:

No, I nor anyone here needs to ever listen to your horrific Scott Fitterer takes ever again. And you sadly still want to defend them it seems 

we got your present day horrific takes instead to painfully digest

Keep trying, dude 😄

You never did clarify whether you actually believe what you're saying now or just sh-tposting again though 🤔

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34 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

When the opposing QB has a near statistical sweep over your guy you're usually going to lose and he didn't have a statistical sweep because we made life easy. He was sacked more than Bryce. Pressured more than Bryce. He threw balls downfield into tight windows. We were outplayed at the most important position in the game and that usually = L. You usually need some extenuating circumstances to overcome that.

Shough had a good game. Never said otherwise. Not so sure he's got a long NFL career ahead of him, though.

I wouldn't call this game an example of a bad Bryce game. But even if I did, I'd still put this loss way more on Evero, Canales and some utterly dumbsh-t plays on behalf of several of our players.

One bit of agreement though: Your final point comes closer than anything else I've seen to matching why I believe in moving on from Bryce. 

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33 minutes ago, frankw said:

Bryce to his credit did not play anywhere near as bad as he had in previous outings against the Saints. He had some good moments.

But that's a testament to just how horrible he has played at times that when he plays mid we see it as a monumental achievement.

Ultimately when you watch all four quarters of this loss you will see that even though Bryce had some success the offense is still being held back by him. We run this offense to his strengths to a fault and everything has to go perfect for him to have success. The TD throw to Coker was a great play between him and Jalen but even with that it was an example of a defender getting caught flat footed. Bryce was in no way shape or form throwing lasers into tight or contested windows like Shough was and Shough was under duress for much of the first half and even the third quarter while Bryce was largely kept clean.

It's funny you mention Parcells. Parcells himself accurately summarized what Bryce Young would need to be and do in the NFL in order to justify going #1 with his glaring physical limitations.

"He better walk on water".

We've seen terrible from Bryce Young. We've seen really good. We've seen mid. None of those versions of Bryce Young will ever get this team to competing in and winning playoff games. Even when he has looked really good it's been sandwiched between games like the 49ers loss.

Bryce has graduated from being abysmal. He's now a so so servicable starter in ideal conditions. But that's not what we traded the farm for. In that regard it's time to keep looking. Nothing personal against him nothing biased just plain old fashioned acknowledgement of reality and the situation as it stands.

And to be clear Bryce is not the only part of this roster we need to be taking a long hard look at. There are guys some of whom are making a boatload of money who need to be consistent or else too. And our head coach needs to call a better game in crucial moments and stop getting outcoached or we need to weigh all possible options in the offseason. 

I said all along this game would be a watershed moment for this roster this staff and this team with finally breaking a curse of 8 years of losing at stake. There are many difficult truths we need to be facing after this loss. And no matter how uncomfortable it may be each and every one of those truths must be faced head on. Beginning with the most consequential position on the football field.

This game isn't an essential watch to understand Bryce's limitations. 

And also, like Linville, you're getting closer to where I am in why we need to move on from Bryce.

And yes, we've seen the good, the bad and the ugly from Bryce. What we still haven't seen is consistency, and I'm doubtful that we will.

So ultimately, this game didn't move the needle for me on Bryce in either direction.

On Ejiro Evero? 😖

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7 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Shough had a good game. Never said otherwise. Not so sure he's got a long NFL career ahead of him, though.

I wouldn't call this game an example of a bad Bryce game. But even if I did, I'd still put this loss way more on Evero, Canales and some utterly dumbsh-t plays on behalf of several of our players.

One bit of agreement though: Your final point comes closer than anything else I've seen to matching why I believe in moving on from Bryce. 

Therein lies the issue. Sadly this mediocre at best game isn't a bad game for Bryce and that's the real problem.

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Just now, Mr. Scot said:

And yes, we've seen the good, the bad and the ugly from Bryce. What we still haven't seen is consistency, and I'm doubtful that we will.

He's actually pretty consistent. He's just consistently subpar and that's precisely the issue. His average is subpar then he'll have a couple disastrous games and a couple of legitimately good games but it all averages out to being pretty bad.

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19 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

Old man you literally were defending fitt up until the end.   I can pull receipts if you have forgotten.   Own it and move on

Move on from something that only others bring up when they're trying to deflect from their own incredibly weak takes? 

Odd suggestion 🤔

But hey, if you can produce a genuinely original take that isn't just being a contrarian, I'll ponder listening.

(no googling though)

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I don’t understand how anyone is shitting on evero

The game is more than the final drive of the 4th quarter. They held the saints below the league average in points.

it sounds like people are upset the panthers don’t have many players that can actually make a game winning play and that’s what happens when you dedicate three drafts and free agent periods trying to make Bryce an nfl qb

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