Franchise QB Dominates

[Mr. Scot]

4 minutes ago, Proudiddy said:

So a QB who struggles to post 175 yards on most Sundays is NOT a major problem holding our team back?  That’s a normal, acceptable average for a franchise QB in the year of our lord 2025?

Got it.

Is it impossible to win in the NFL without putting up huge passing numbers? 

(coaches who favor gameplans with a heavy run emphasis would probably be interested to know that)

It's kinda like saying you can't win unless your team scores at least 21 points a game... except you can, as long as you hold the opposing team to 20 or less. 

Still waiting for the explanation of how Evero's issues are also Bryce's fault.

(you left that part out)

Edited 10 hours ago by Mr. Scot

[Joe Bear]

1 minute ago, TN05 said:

It is, he admitted a few posts up he didn't watch the game.

Is this the same guy who said Kon Knueppel was trash and a bust five minutes into his first Summer League game? Stevie Wonder could see a pattern here. 

[Proudiddy]

2 minutes ago, Joe Bear said:

Where is this vitriol for Horn getting smoked or the defense blowing it? I get you’re hyper-obsessed with Bryce Young to a wholly unhealthy degree (and may in fact assassinate him before week 18 if given the opportunity), but today was one of those where the blame CAN be spread. He’s not good but neither is the defense or most anyone on the roster. The coaches also suck. 

 Bro, Horn shows up and does his job almost every Sunday.  He earns his fuging money.  He got smoked today.  poo happens.  But out of our 7 losses, how many has Jaycee cost us?  How many has Bryce cost us?  Jaycee doesn’t require everyone around him to play at an otherworldly level to what is expected or required of him.

QB is the most important position on a football team.  When ours is the worst in the league over a three year span, every game is an uphill fuging battle.  People are still defending this poo an we just played a game with playoff implications and our QB struggled to throw for 163 yards AGAIN.  Our QB just got outplayed by an ancient 2nd round rookie, AGAIN.  Our QB requires our RBs to be amazing every Sunday, or we lose.  It is fuging insane people are acting like that isn’t a huge fuging problem at the most important and production-dependent position on a football field.

[SmokinwithWilly]

11 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

I could watch this game and not see him as an issue.

(in fact, I did)

Other games? Maybe. This game? No.

Despite the common mindset on here, not every loss or every issue the team has is traceable to Bryce. 

Not being able to run a QB sneak is a problem and a major issue. Certain plays have to be in the play book. An NFL offense can't survive without them. 

[frankw]

10 minutes ago, Joe Bear said:

Where is this vitriol for Horn getting smoked or the defense blowing it? I get you’re hyper-obsessed with Bryce Young to a wholly unhealthy degree (and may in fact assassinate him before week 18 if given the opportunity), but today was one of those where the blame CAN be spread. He’s not good but neither is the defense or most anyone on the roster. The coaches also suck. 

People have been saying for awhile now that Jaycee Horn (while talented and capable of flashing great play from time to time) still isn't worth top 3 corner money because he is too inconsistent.

Still doesn't change the fact that a rookie QB 8 games into his career outplayed and swept our 3rd year QB 43 games into his career.

And Dave Canales continues to get outcoached.

Hard truths all around.

[Aussie Tank]

You wanna know why Bryce has a long leash because he gets to look awesome against our defense every week at practise. And weren't you the head of the Sanders fan club a week ago 

[Mr. Scot]

9 minutes ago, mav1234 said:

I don't know, man. This game is the same as every other game of us - he moves well in the pocket and escapes well, but he can't find the middle of the field and his ball placement often leaves something to be desired. he did have some great scrambles and a great throw to Coker, but every QB in the NFL can do those things.

Every quarterback in the NFl has bad plays in every game, and likewise weaknesses that show up on a weekly basis. 

If you stretch that sort of logic far enough, you wind up arguing that Cam Newton was the reason we lost every game we didn't win under him.

Yes, that's dumb.

And yes, Bryce is not consistently good enough to make him the future at quarterback. Nothing about today's game took away from (nor added to) that argument.

So bottom line: It's still true, but damn, some of the emotional / irrational anti-Bryce takes I see on this board are dumbing down the conversation as a whole to utter ridiculousness

[mav1234]

12 minutes ago, Joe Bear said:

Considering hardly ANY QB gets shut down by this defense I’d bet on any QB to shell it, including Jack Plummer. 

Dunno man. Two of the better QBs in the league, while not being shut out, didn't throw for 300. So I don't think that Bryce does.

Evero definitely is in my proverbial doghouse right now, and our inability to get pressure is a major problem, but I don't think think Bryce would play better than the best QBs we've played vs our defense.

[Mr. Scot]

2 minutes ago, frankw said:

People have been saying for awhile now that Jaycee Horn (while talented and capable of flashing great play from time to time) still isn't worth top 3 corner money because he is too inconsistent.

Still doesn't change the fact that a rookie QB 8 games into his career outplayed and swept our 3rd year QB 43 games into his career.

And Dave Canales continues to get outcoached.

Hard truths all around.

What's wrong in this take is it references a longstanding logical error...

Quarterbacks don't play against other quarterbacks.

Shough didn't outplay Bryce. He outplayed our defense.

Mind you, that doesn't make the final result any better

[mav1234]

1 minute ago, Mr. Scot said:

Every quarterback in the NFl has bad plays in every game, and likewise weaknesses that show up on a weekly basis. 

If you stretch that sort of logic far enough, you wind up arguing that Cam Newton was the reason we lost every game we didn't win under him.

Yes, that's dumb.

And yes, Bryce is not consistently good enough to make him the future at quarterback. Nothing about today's game took away from (nor added to) that argument.

So bottom line: It's still true, but damn, some of the emotional / irrational anti-Bryce takes I see on this board are dumbing down the conversation as a whole to utter ridiculousness

Yes, every QB has bad plays. Bryce just happens to have more plays that are meh than most others, which is why he is one of the worst starting QBs in the league. 

The thing is, in a game that means this much, with a chance to maintain a division lead - Bryce was just another guy.  And his limitations where on full display.

That's what I mean. It's why i think he's a problem. And while yes, he wasn't the reason we lost or anything like that... I would like us to have a QB that is a bigger part of why we win than what Bryce is usually capable of.

[WhoKnows]

56 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

I'm not in favor of continuing long term with Bryce, but today's game isn't a good one to cite as an argument against him.

This loss was a massive coaching failure, especially on the defensive side.

Wait. You are speaking out of both sides of your mouth. You said this

There is one major coaching / braintrust decision that had a major effect on this game, but I doubt it's one you're thinking of... 

Over here: https://www.carolinahuddle.com/?app=core&module=system&controller=content&do=find&content_class=forums_Topic&content_id=479724&content_commentid=7008092

Which is it because “massive coaching failure” means I was completely right over there?

[Joe Bear]

9 minutes ago, Proudiddy said:

 Bro, Horn shows up and does his job almost every Sunday.  He earns his fuging money.  He got smoked today.  poo happens.  But out of our 7 losses, how many has Jaycee cost us?  How many has Bryce cost us?  Jaycee doesn’t require everyone around him to play at an otherworldly level to what is expected or required of him.

QB is the most important position on a football team.  When ours is the worst in the league over a three year span, every game is an uphill fuging battle.  People are still defending this poo an we just played a game with playoff implications and our QB struggled to throw for 163 yards AGAIN.  Our QB just got outplayed by an ancient 2nd round rookie, AGAIN.  Our QB requires our RBs to be amazing every Sunday, or we lose.  It is fuging insane people are acting like that isn’t a huge fuging problem at the most important and production-dependent position on a football field.

I don't think anyone thinks he's not A problem, but acting like he's the only problem on the team and in your life is a bit much. Spread the blame a bit. He didn't miss a tackle today. 

[Mr. Scot]

3 minutes ago, mav1234 said:

Dunno man. Two of the better QBs in the league, while not being shut out, didn't throw for 300. So I don't think that Bryce does.

Evero definitely is in my proverbial doghouse right now, and our inability to get pressure is a major problem, but I don't think think Bryce would play better than the best QBs we've played vs our defense.

I wouldn't say doghouse, I'd say outhouse.

The difference of course is that, fired or not, I'm about 99% certain Evero won't be back next season.

Bryce will, and quite possibly for the following year as well.

[frankw]

3 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

What's wrong in this take is it references a longstanding logical error...

Quarterbacks don't play against other quarterbacks.

Shough didn't outplay Bryce. He outplayed our defense.

Mind you, that doesn't make the final result any better

QB's overwhelmingly win games when it matters most and that is what Shough did in both games while Bryce floundered.

I understand you've effortlessly slipped back into your contrarian know it all shtick but reality is reality. 

And no you don't need to quote me any further.

Edited 10 hours ago by frankw