Why does Bryce get the blame?

[Basbear]

39 minutes ago, ForJimmy said:

Weren’t we favored vs the Jets?

 

18 minutes ago, csx said:

Yes. Favored by 1.5 on the road. No idea where these things come from. Still pretty bad though. 

https://pantherswire.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/panthers/2025/10/18/nfl-week-7-panthers-vs-jets-betting-odds-tips-trends-10-19-2025/86770681007/

I thought the same, but I also heard the line changed to favor the jets at the end while at the start Panthers were favored. so Idk who is right...

[CRA]

3 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

Not a defense of him...an understanding of the problem.

(something you seem to be lacking right now)

Bryce in a Canales offense is not an example of a stylistic mismatch, but I can give you one if that helps.

When he was playing for the Panthers, Cam Newton sat under OC's running Coryell type offenses. Newton had a big arm and was a strong runner. He fit into that sort of attack very well.

Then he goes to New England, where at the time they were running an Earhardt-Perkins system (similar to WCO In a lot of what they do but very different terminology).

The Patriot offenses back then were heavily based on timing and rhythm style passing, not something that Newton was especially well suited for.

So he washed out at New England, not because he had poor ability (his abilities had been on display here on a regular basis) but because he didn't fit what they wanted to do with their offense.

I always go back to Jeff Garcia as one of the prime examples of this issue. Garcia in a WCO looked like a world beater. Put him in any other scheme though...yikes! 

So again, Young's issues here have nothing to do with any failure to mesh with Canales. Hell, is say Canales has actually done pretty well at adapting his system to who he has rather than trying to jam square pegs into round holes.

Again, it doesn't take an elite level of football knowledge to get this. It's pretty basic.

But if you're not even capable of understanding what the real problem is, how are you going to know you to find the right solution?

You are engaging in nothing but long winded semantics.   I could argue I fit Canales offense, disregard I’m horrific and can’t do anything at this level.

Bryce Young doesn’t fit if he can’t make the throws an offense requires/needs outside of outlier examples. 

the proof is in the pudding.  But given you just want to argue everyone is wrong and attempt to claim no position poorly….and that now all stats backing everyone’s positions are irrelevant…..you are just tiresome. 

Please declare yourself ultimate victor and feel free to ignore my posts.  Bryce Young doesn’t fit most traditional NFL offense’s because he lacks the tools and throws for them to operate at a standard that would please anyone outside of a small segment of the Panthers fanbase and his parents. 

[strato]

4 hours ago, CRA said:

XL did go chase down that moonball nothing pass to nowhere last week. 

That is really what I thought they took him to do.  
At least a few.5050 balls downfield.  

Edited 15 hours ago by strato

[kungfoodude]

Just now, strato said:

That is really what I though they took him to do.  

Yeah and you know once every two seasons that works. 

[strato]

1 minute ago, kungfoodude said:

Yeah and you know once every two seasons that works. 

It definitely doesn’t work if you never do it. I have seen it about twice.  

Edited 15 hours ago by strato

[kungfoodude]

4 minutes ago, strato said:

It definitely doesn’t work if you never do it. I have seen it about twice.  

We have attempted several over the past two seasons. Maybe two successful?

[TimeTravelerTep]

On 12/15/2025 at 6:41 PM, mrcompletely11 said:

lol you started the thread dude and you literally have not provided any examples of what you are referring to as "blaming" bryce for the loss

Honestly, it wasn't on him last game. There are many other reasons that come before Bryce. Dave Canales is really starting to worry me. I mean there are glaring issues that can't be excused. I said back when the whole Rico/Chubba thing happened. I said right then that you cannot have a coach that handled those 4 or 5 games the way he did. I get it, most thought that he was trying to throw games, which was not wrong thinking because of how bad it was. The decisions right before half. The strict "Chubba gets this drive and Rico gets the next." It's seeming like a lot of our backups are the better talent, so he cant evaluate talent. Not calling a quarterback sneak because of size. Small quarterback have a different type of advantage, just not as good as a large quarterback, but still doable. Then he doesn't even explain why he didn't put Dalton in there (saying it would give away a quarterback sneak is...just stop). I honestly think he forgot about putting in Dalton. There are so many others that I'd have to re-watch the games to remember.  I could make a whole other post on that defensive game plan...absolutely awful.

And a quick petition...see the quote above, can we please ban these weirdos and try to clean this place up. This is peak reddit right here and these losers will destroy the board. I couldn't make it though 3 pages because these morons post more than anyone else. These are the perpetual online freaking weirdos banned from getting too close to schools reddit mod types. Get these losers out of here. You got these freaks posting a ton and not answering the question OP posted ABOUT THE PANTHERS. This is supposed to be about football and this dork constantly tries to attack OP's question. Could you imagine someone in your real life group acting like this? You'd kick his butt out immediately. And you have this reddit loser trying to stop people for posting about the Panthers. Any normal person would just skip the post, but you have to remember these morons base their whole personality on their online persona. They would be banned almost everywhere else. Send him back to reddit, they will be a cancer to this place, trust me. I guarantee you he has more comments than 95% of accounts. These guys are the lowest in society so they live online. Its everything to them. You dont want that. Just read his responses. Do background check on that guy, there are younger people on this too and he probably isn't allowed to be talking to them, or be on here at all.

[CRA]

29 minutes ago, strato said:

That is really what I thought they took him to do.  
At least a few.5050 balls downfield.  

I think they took him for that.  He projected to fit the role we saw in Tampa and Seattle.  But Bryce doesn’t throw those balls.   Bryce basically throws to the sideline or endzone…..not really ever putting them up and in play between the 20s. 

[Jackson113.2]

4 minutes ago, TimeTravelerTep said:

Honestly, it wasn't on him last game. There are many other reasons that come before Bryce. Dave Canales is really starting to worry me. I mean there are glaring issues that can't be excused. I said back when the whole Rico/Chubba thing happened. I said right then that you cannot have a coach that handled those 4 or 5 games the way he did. I get it, most thought that he was trying to throw games, which was not wrong thinking because of how bad it was. The decisions right before half. The strict "Chubba gets this drive and Rico gets the next." It's seeming like a lot of our backups are the better talent, so he cant evaluate talent. Not calling a quarterback sneak because of size. Small quarterback have a different type of advantage, just not as good as a large quarterback, but still doable. Then he doesn't even explain why he didn't put Dalton in there (saying it would give away a quarterback sneak is...just stop). I honestly think he forgot about putting in Dalton. There are so many others that I'd have to re-watch the games to remember.  I could make a whole other post on that defensive game plan...absolutely awful.

And a quick petition...see the quote above, can we please ban these weirdos and try to clean this place up. This is peak reddit right here and these losers will destroy the board. I couldn't make it though 3 pages because these morons post more than anyone else. These are the perpetual online freaking weirdos banned from getting too close to schools reddit mod types. Get these losers out of here. You got these freaks posting a ton and not answering the question OP posted ABOUT THE PANTHERS. This is supposed to be about football and this dork constantly tries to attack OP's question. Could you imagine someone in your real life group acting like this? You'd kick his butt out immediately. And you have this reddit loser trying to stop people for posting about the Panthers. Any normal person would just skip the post, but you have to remember these morons base their whole personality on their online persona. They would be banned almost everywhere else. Send him back to reddit, they will be a cancer to this place, trust me. I guarantee you he has more comments than 95% of accounts. These guys are the lowest in society so they live online. Its everything to them. You dont want that. Just read his responses. Do background check on that guy, there are younger people on this too and he probably isn't allowed to be talking to them, or be on here at all.

The huddle has hive mind. One poster states something then the whole site believes it. It is a toxic cesspool of a forum.  The mods don't even follow the Panthers. It is laughable bad on here.

[carolinanimal]

29 minutes ago, Jackson113.2 said:

The huddle has hive mind. One poster states something then the whole site believes it. It is a toxic cesspool of a forum.  The mods don't even follow the Panthers. It is laughable bad on here.

You mean like Bryce nut huggers?

[strato]

1 hour ago, kungfoodude said:

We have attempted several over the past two seasons. Maybe two successful?

I am talking Russell Wilson prayers. How many this year do you think? 
Whatever the number, fewer last year from my memory. Of course Bryce started off so well in 2024. 

Edited 14 hours ago by strato

[strato]

43 minutes ago, Jackson113.2 said:

The huddle has hive mind. One poster states something then the whole site believes it. It is a toxic cesspool of a forum.  The mods don't even follow the Panthers. It is laughable bad on here.

There is a contingent that is total Bryce but they weathervane with the wind. When the good Bryce wind blows about once or twice a month we hear a lot from them. But they are always pro Bryce, they just don’t pipe up too much when he sucks. I can’t speak for them, as far as what they are looking at. 
 

In a second contingent, the collective mind is made up. He has had had basically three years worth of starts that might include a top tier outing or two, a few second tier outings, offset by about the same number of bottom tier outings which actually may have the edge there. 
The rest of his stuff is third tier and that is going to be the bulk of his starts. We want to move on. And we aren’t getting off of that hill until he puts us off of it. He has not. 
 

There is a third contingent that has no conviction and definitely weather vanes. Bryce is good. Bryce isn’t good. Depending on the latest game. They will buy into 7 on 7 success so that should tell you something. 

[strato]

1 hour ago, TimeTravelerTep said:

Honestly, it wasn't on him last game. There are many other reasons that come before Bryce. Dave Canales is really starting to worry me. I mean there are glaring issues that can't be excused. I said back when the whole Rico/Chubba thing happened. I said right then that you cannot have a coach that handled those 4 or 5 games the way he did. I get it, most thought that he was trying to throw games, which was not wrong thinking because of how bad it was. The decisions right before half. The strict "Chubba gets this drive and Rico gets the next." It's seeming like a lot of our backups are the better talent, so he cant evaluate talent. Not calling a quarterback sneak because of size. Small quarterback have a different type of advantage, just not as good as a large quarterback, but still doable. Then he doesn't even explain why he didn't put Dalton in there (saying it would give away a quarterback sneak is...just stop). I honestly think he forgot about putting in Dalton. There are so many others that I'd have to re-watch the games to remember.  I could make a whole other post on that defensive game plan...absolutely awful.

And a quick petition...see the quote above, can we please ban these weirdos and try to clean this place up. This is peak reddit right here and these losers will destroy the board. I couldn't make it though 3 pages because these morons post more than anyone else. These are the perpetual online freaking weirdos banned from getting too close to schools reddit mod types. Get these losers out of here. You got these freaks posting a ton and not answering the question OP posted ABOUT THE PANTHERS. This is supposed to be about football and this dork constantly tries to attack OP's question. Could you imagine someone in your real life group acting like this? You'd kick his butt out immediately. And you have this reddit loser trying to stop people for posting about the Panthers. Any normal person would just skip the post, but you have to remember these morons base their whole personality on their online persona. They would be banned almost everywhere else. Send him back to reddit, they will be a cancer to this place, trust me. I guarantee you he has more comments than 95% of accounts. These guys are the lowest in society so they live online. Its everything to them. You dont want that. Just read his responses. Do background check on that guy, there are younger people on this too and he probably isn't allowed to be talking to them, or be on here at all.

Good lord. If in that rambling you are saying we should all agree that the premise of the original post in this thread is valid? 
 

Keep dreaming. It was a strawman. False premise. Acting as if a ton of people were blaming Bryce for the loss. Which was not happening. 
 

To allow that stuff to go unchallenged, is worse. 
 

 

[Mr. Scot]

 

2 hours ago, CRA said:

You are engaging in nothing but long winded semantics.   I could argue I fit Canales offense, disregard I’m horrific and can’t do anything at this level.

Bryce Young doesn’t fit if he can’t make the throws an offense requires/needs outside of outlier examples. 

the proof is in the pudding.  But given you just want to argue everyone is wrong and attempt to claim no position poorly….and that now all stats backing everyone’s positions are irrelevant…..you are just tiresome. 

Please declare yourself ultimate victor and feel free to ignore my posts.  Bryce Young doesn’t fit most traditional NFL offense’s because he lacks the tools and throws for them to operate at a standard that would please anyone outside of a small segment of the Panthers fanbase and his parents. 

Nah. I'm talking nuts and bolts football. You're trying to deflect from the fact that you don't understand the difference between a stylistic analysis and a measure of ability.

You can go back to pre-draft analysis and you'll find a lot of the talk(even on this same board) had Bryce pegged as a WCO or possibly an E-P fit. That idea came from understanding the schemes and matching them to his streniand weaknesses as a prospect.

(and yes, he has strengths; hell, even Manziel had strengths)

Again though, since you seem to need this simplified even further, just answer these two questions:

- Who was the college OC that Bryce thrived under?

- What kind of concepts did he run in the NFL?