Greg Cosell on Bryce Young

[TheSpecialJuan]

55 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

They need to cut Andy, sign a vet that still has an arm and draft someone.    This shouldn't be this difficult 

Andy will most certainly be cut. I think they like Mike White, who was kept on the PS over Hendon Hooker 

[Waldo]

26 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

I think it's a lot of yes men and group think.

That is who the Teppers hire but Dave and Dan aren't stupid enough to not knoe the situation.

[Waldo]

15 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

I guess we will see in the offseason.   But if this brain trust runs it back in 26 with the same qb room then they deserve everything that's coming to them 

Yup

[kungfoodude]

22 minutes ago, Waldo said:

That is who the Teppers hire but Dave and Dan aren't stupid enough to not knoe the situation.

I think they also really do believe.

[Waldo]

41 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

I think they also really do believe.

I don't think those concepts are mutually exclusive 

[countryboi]

3 hours ago, kungfoodude said:

This is the ideal situation even if Bryce sticks around. At least an attempt at an overall QB room upgrade.

I don't think it's fear, I think from coaching staff to owner they are genuinely true believers.

this, if they believed they could draft or sign a better QB, they would have done it. they are are coaching for their jobs too.

For better or worse, they actually believe in Bryce.

[strato]

On 12/25/2025 at 10:11 PM, cranky said:

Pretty sure it is a given Young lacks typical QB size and strength and he is here simply because his other attributes more than make up for it. My point is not to indicate anyone "settled" for him but rather to remind people that there have been plenty of big, strong QB's that have not lived up to expectations. Jamis Winston, Anthony Richardson, Trey Lance, JaMarcus Russel are a few examples. They all have the physical attributes coveted by teams and yet none have had sustained success in the NFL. And yes, there are QBs that do have both but there aren't many and some of the ones still playing were failures with their early teams. Saying Young is a bust simply based upon his size (and I do think it is as simple as that for a few guys around here) is unfair to both him and the team.

Your examples are very telling. It’s funny. Not ha ha funny, more like ironically humorous.  
 

When that rookie season was down there with AR and Jamarcus, what we heard over and over was Peyton Manning had a horrible rookie season. So did… Brees, Elway, all your picks that became uLara successful. Never ‘hey Jamarcus had a shitty rookie year… and a shitty sophomore year’ etc. … uh oh. Never that. 

 

The comparisons alway favor the Bryce fan’s hopes and don’t allow for the real possibility he isn’t those guys.  Whatever side or angle you bring them from. Always the bright side.

It’s entertaining at least, a little, in its consistency. 
 

Can people see what has been done, scheme wise and personnel wise to make him somewhat viable? I wonder about that.  

Edited 5 hours ago by strato

[SmokinwithWilly]

On 12/26/2025 at 3:45 PM, countryboi said:

this, if they believed they could draft or sign a better QB, they would have done it. they are are coaching for their jobs too.

For better or worse, they actually believe in Bryce.

Options were available. Anyone who saw Andy play last year knew he was cooked and another offseason wasn't going to turn back the clock any. 

The problem was if Bryce started off cold, which he did, and a backup like Brissett, Jameis, or even god forbid Wilson came in and outperformed Bryce after another benching or phantom injury, it was possible he never saw the field again. That could never even be in the realm of possibilities. 

It was all in with Bryce this year, but we really didnt need to put Dalton on a 2 year contract. If we give Bryce the 5th year, I expect Dalton will get a year extension to carry him through Bryce's contract term. 

[countryboi]

7 minutes ago, SmokinwithWilly said:

Options were available. Anyone who saw Andy play last year knew he was cooked and another offseason wasn't going to turn back the clock any. 

The problem was if Bryce started off cold, which he did, and a backup like Brissett, Jameis, or even god forbid Wilson came in and outperformed Bryce after another benching or phantom injury, it was possible he never saw the field again. That could never even be in the realm of possibilities. 

It was all in with Bryce this year, but we really didnt need to put Dalton on a 2 year contract. If we give Bryce the 5th year, I expect Dalton will get a year extension to carry him through Bryce's contract term. 

some irony, Im pretty sure they tried to bring in Brissett like 2 seasons ago but he turned us down saying he wanted to be a starter. that said I dont think any of those guys are good enough to keep Bryce off the field more than a few games, maybe Brissett. 

[SmokinwithWilly]

6 minutes ago, countryboi said:

some irony, Im pretty sure they tried to bring in Brissett like 2 seasons ago but he turned us down saying he wanted to be a starter. that said I dont think any of those guys are good enough to keep Bryce off the field more than a few games, maybe Brissett. 

I don't know if they were or not. The one thing I do know is they were all more viable than ancient Andy Dalton. It's just very strange optics. Even if you believe Bryce is the guy, injuries happen. You don't want to lose your playoff run because you couldn't be bothered to try and improve your QB room at all. I know it was lightning in a bottle, but the Eagles won a SB with Foles when Wentz went down. You gotta improve the room when the opportunity presents itself for next to nothing, relatively speaking. 

[cranky]

1 hour ago, strato said:

Your examples are very telling. It’s funny. Not ha ha funny, more like ironically humorous.  
 

When that rookie season was down there with AR and Jamarcus, what we heard over and over was Peyton Manning had a horrible rookie season. So did… Brees, Elway, all your picks that became uLara successful. Never ‘hey Jamarcus had a shitty rookie year… and a shitty sophomore year’ etc. … uh oh. Never that. 

 

The comparisons alway favor the Bryce fan’s hopes and don’t allow for the real possibility he isn’t those guys.  Whatever side or angle you bring them from. Always the bright side.

It’s entertaining at least, a little, in its consistency. 
 

Can people see what has been done, scheme wise and personnel wise to make him somewhat viable? I wonder about that.  

Not really sure what to make of your post. All I did was ask AI what were some notable QB bust over the past few years and these are the names it provided. I didn't cherry pick anything. All I was attempting to do is illustrate the fact that physical attributes (arm strength, height, etc) are not gaurantees of success. Yes that does favor Bryce but that is the purpose of the post. 

I could have posted how Mayfield and Darnold were both failures with their first teams even though they have the physical attributes coveted only to finally find success later in their careers but that could be used to suggest Bryce just needs time much like they needed it. Would you have considered that ironically funny as well?

And I see the scheme Canales has provided but I do not look at it as working around Youngs' weaknesses as much as it is working around a young, inexperieinced team still trying to figure each other out. Kind of like learning to ride a bike. You don't just throw your kid on it and give it a big push - unless you want to watch your kid crash and burn. The begining of the season they were on training wheels but as the season has progressed, and Young and the receivers have had time to work with one another, I have seen Canales open the playbook more. Seems logical to me.

 

Edited 3 hours ago by cranky

[strato]

On 12/26/2025 at 6:45 PM, countryboi said:

this, if they believed they could draft or sign a better QB, they would have done it. they are are coaching for their jobs too.

For better or worse, they actually believe in Bryce.

The idea is… you asked AI for busts because you wanted a bust to compare to. Could have just said QBs but you wanted busts.

In the other scenario, people wanted success stories. There were plenty of busts that had shitty rookie years but that didn’t suit the agenda. They needed successful draft picks with a rough first year. They found some, and excluded the returns that didn’t suit their agenda… those who had a shitty second year too lol, and busted out.  And those are largely the names you offered when approaching it from a different angle, one where those names would bolster your assertion. 
I just thought it was noteworthy. 

[cranky]

On 12/26/2025 at 3:47 PM, mrcompletely11 said:

I guess we will see in the offseason.   But if this brain trust runs it back in 26 with the same qb room then they deserve everything that's coming to them 

And we finally have something we agree on!