Bryce is elite at deep throws

[strato]

58 minutes ago, pantherclaw said:

That's the qualification. It hasn't been changed for the sake of this argument.  

You ignored the rest of my comment, conveniently. That way you don’t have to acknowledge it. That’s fine. 

When you let 20 yards into such a category, there isn’t anything left.

The guy that can zip on in there at 40 where Bryce has to float in it, is basically discounted 50%. 
 

Here it is… you love Bryce. If he was the guy that could do a 40 yard rope, you would support the opposite position. That’s what this is. Not an honest real evaluation of talent and ability, but a self serving strategic debate that will shamelessly exploit any loophole that suits the agenda.  

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[strato]

48 minutes ago, pantherclaw said:

In the history of the NFL. OR even just this season,  what is then% of completions of passes that travel 40 yards in the air, regardless of QB? 

If you dont know, i dont understand why you're arguing this. 

And I don’t understand why you call on me to produce strawman  stats. If you have a point, which stats cannot make in relation to my statement in the first place, put them up. 
Again, if a guy can throw 40 yards on a rope, and another guy 20,  and they count the SAME… who is getting discounted? Short changed? 
Need a hint? 

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[Smohn Jith]

4 hours ago, GoobyPls said:

Right now Bryce, Stroud is living off that rookie season

Stroud has been to the playoffs twice...

[pantherclaw]

46 minutes ago, strato said:

You ignored the rest of my comment, conveniently. That way you don’t have to acknowledge it. That’s fine. 

When you let 20 yards into such a category, there isn’t anything left.

The guy that can zip on in there at 40 where Bryce has to float in it, is basically discounted 50%. 
 

Here it is… you love Bryce. If he was the guy that could do a 40 yard rope, you would support the opposite position. That’s what this is. Not an honest real evaluation of talent and ability, but a self serving strategic debate that will shamelessly exploit any loophole that suits the agenda.  

Your wrong. I dont love Bryce.  Until you can speak of him without being biased one way or another, there is zero point taking about him to you, or anyone else. Not all QBs are the same. In fact, very few are just alike.   I didn't ignore anything.  It just taking to you about something your raised in a negative way, is like bashing my hand with a hammer.  

[pantherclaw]

42 minutes ago, strato said:

And I don’t understand why you call on me to produce strawman  stats. If you have a point, which stats cannot make in relation to my statement in the first place, put them up. 
Again, if a guy can throw 40 yards on a rope, and another guy 20,  and they count the SAME… who is getting discounted? Short changed? 
Need a hint? 

I knew you'd be dismissive. 

[pantherclaw]

I don't love Bryce Young. 

I DO understand his abilities as a QB. I dont expect him to do things that are beyond that. I also dont hold it against him.  The ability to throw 40 yards in with the velocity to take your receivers hands off, doesn't have the impact on the game as people think it does.  I think it's a pretty silly thing to even attempt to debate, when the ones crying about it doesn't add context.  

Bryce can and does throw deep.  His last TD to T-Mac was a thing of beauty,   and the ball placement was incredible,  especially for the distance of the throw. 

I get it y'all want to talk all day about his physical limitations, rather than look at what he does, and does well.  We wouldn't be playing meaningful football in December without him.  That is a fact. 

Bryce doesn't fit the mold of my type of QB, but I don't hold that against him. That is beyond stupid.  

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[GoobyPls]

1 hour ago, Smohn Jith said:

Stroud has been to the playoffs twice...

And Dilfer won a SB, idc.

Almost impossible to miss the playoffs when you have that good of a defense 

[Manna]

Bryce’s deep passes are intermediate passes for other strong armed QBs. I will say that Bryce’s accuracy on his deep passes have improved. Before they would just sail out of bounds. Now the WR actually has a fighting chance on the ball. 

[beckersteen]

1 hour ago, pantherclaw said:

I don't love Bryce Young. 

I DO understand his abilities as a QB. I dont expect him to do things that are beyond that. I also dont hold it against him.  The ability to throw 40 yards in with the velocity to take your receivers hands off, doesn't have the impact on the game as people think it does.  I think it's a pretty silly thing to even attempt to debate, when the ones crying about it doesn't add context.  

Bryce can and does throw deep.  His last TD to T-Mac was a thing of beauty,   and the ball placement was incredible,  especially for the distance of the throw. 

I get it y'all want to talk all day about his physical limitations, rather than look at what he does, and does well.  We wouldn't be playing meaningful football in December without him.  That is a fact. 

Bryce doesn't fit the mold of my type of QB, but I don't hold that against him. That is beyond stupid.  

We had a QB who could do that and its the last time we went to the Super Bowl and the only time we had an MVP. Once he lost his ability to do that he was out of the league.

To filter out insignificant stats I will only look at QBs who have played in 10 or more games this year. There are 28 qualifying QBs. Bryce is 25th in Air Yards per Attempt at 6.4. Only Joe Flacco, Cam Ward, and Dillon Gabriel are worse (6.0, 5.8, 5.1). Trevor Lawrence, Patrick Mahomes, and CJ Stroud are the median QBs at 7.1. Drake Maye and Sam Darnold lead the league at 8.7. Bryce is 18th in the league for passes that travel 30+ yards at 12. The median is Caleb Williams at 15. The league leader is Matthew Stafford with 26. With passes that travel 40+ yards, Bryce is tied with three others at 21st in the league with 3. Only Jacoby Brissett, Cam Ward, Joe Flacco, and Dillon Gabriel are worse. The median is a three-way tie with Drake Maye, Trevor Lawrence, and Baker Mayfield with 6. The league leader is Sam Darnold with 12.

Having the ability to complete passes down the field (not YAC) stretches the defense and makes them account for more ground. It keeps players out of the box and keeps formations in nickel or dime, less line backers for your RBs to worry about. Bryce is why we have 2 losses against the Saints. If he had the outright ability to sling the football down field we beat the easily, but he doesn't. So they crowded the box and our 2 starting caliber RBs with our top ~10 Oline couldn't carry the offense to a win on their own. The limitations of the offense fall squarely on Bryce.

[SmokinwithWilly]

3 hours ago, pantherclaw said:

That's the qualification. It hasn't been changed for the sake of this argument.  

I think the qualification has changed over time though. A deep ball play used to take 4 to 6 seconds for the receiver to get to that spot on the field. Now a receiver can be there in 2.5. That's less time than most QBs have to set and throw. In my mind a deep route takes time to develop. A crossing route and a deep route can't take the same amount of time at full speed. You can have 4 deep balls on the same drive,  almost 5 if you do 5 20 yard throws goal line to goal line. That doesn't even make sense when you say it out loud.