Kurt Warner on Bryce Young

[Jackie Lee]

 

[CRA]

24 minutes ago, Jackie Lee said:

 

And that’s really carnival game throwing.  As it sailed over what’s his name.   Not in game, route throwing.   Bryce has to be 40ish on a lot throws 

[strato]

32 minutes ago, CRA said:

And that’s really carnival game throwing.  As it sailed over what’s his name.   Not in game, route throwing.   Bryce has to be 40ish on a lot throws 

I have posted this video before and referenced it in the Bryce arm strength wars. I brought it up with the alleged pff guy that called us casuals and other names. 
And about a year prior I posted it proposing the same theory. 

Noteworthy is they throw with varying degrees of effort. The sailing throws come with max effort. 
 

I compare it to baseball pitchers.  They generally do not throw 100% effort, they take some off and it helps their accuracy. As you can see, when those guys go all out fastball the football sails. They generally miss high.

When people were saying Bryce has such a great arm “look he overthrows deep balls”, well maybe he is trying as hard as he can and misses high, just like these guys. 
 

Where they can take a little off and still get plenty of zip, I don’t think he has much to take off the throw and still have it zipping and zinging. 
 

Obviously on throws like what beat the Rams velocity isn’t the critical factor, placement and touch to get that are the demands on the throw. 
 

But when he needs the velocity he doesn’t have as much effort to spare as the big boys with the strong arms. 

It makes total sense to me.  
 

 

Edited yesterday at 02:00 AM by strato

[PootieNunu]

13 minutes ago, strato said:

I have posted this video before and referenced it in the Bryce arm strength wars. I brought it up with the alleged pff guy that called us casuals and other names. 
And about a year prior I posted it proposing the same theory. 

Noteworthy is they throw with varying degrees of effort. The sailing throws come with max effort. 
 

I compare it to baseball pitchers.  They generally do not throw 100% effort, they take some off and it helps their accuracy. As you can see, when those guys go all out fastball the football sails. They generally miss high.

When people were saying Bryce has such a great arm “look he overthrows deep balls”, well maybe he is trying as hard as he can and misses high, just like these guys. 
 

Where they can take a little off and still get plenty of zip, I don’t think he has much to take off the throw and still have it zipping and zinging. 
 

Obviously on throws like what beat the Rams velocity isn’t the critical factor, placement and touch to get that are the demands on the throw. 
 

But when he needs the velocity he doesn’t have as much effort to spare as the big boys with the strong arms. 

It makes total sense to me.  
 

 

Yup exactly. Kids in high school, hell even middle school can float passes 20+ yards down field, but there's a big difference in floating something out there or putting some heat on it and delivering an accurate pass. 

Bryce cannot do the latter. Full stop. Because of this the amount of field that is available on any given play is shrunken because of his limitations. 

[CRA]

23 minutes ago, strato said:

I have posted this video before and referenced it in the Bryce arm strength wars. I brought it up with the alleged pff guy that called us casuals and other names. 
And about a year prior I posted it proposing the same theory. 

Noteworthy is they throw with varying degrees of effort. The sailing throws come with max effort. 
 

I compare it to baseball pitchers.  They generally do not throw 100% effort, they take some off and it helps their accuracy. As you can see, when those guys go all out fastball the football sails. They generally miss high.

When people were saying Bryce has such a great arm “look he overthrows deep balls”, well maybe he is trying as hard as he can and misses high, just like these guys. 
 

Where they can take a little off and still get plenty of zip, I don’t think he has much to take off the throw and still have it zipping and zinging. 
 

Obviously on throws like what beat the Rams velocity isn’t the critical factor, placement and touch to get that are the demands on the throw. 
 

But when he needs the velocity he doesn’t have as much effort to spare as the big boys with the strong arms. 

It makes total sense to me.  
 

 

All you have to do is watch Bryce throw out routes or comebacks to the sideline…..

his arm is 100% on the weaker side starting QB standards.  Not really a debate IMO.  

and you hate watching it because the ball hangs

[strato]

13 minutes ago, CRA said:

All you have to do is watch Bryce throw out routes or comebacks to the sideline…..

his arm is 100% on the weaker side starting QB standards.  Not really a debate IMO.  

and you hate watching it because the ball hangs

Oh yeah, I am with you there. I spent too much time attempting to explain that poo to the caravan of stans that pass through town, and need some teaching aids for them. 
 

When this first started one of the first things I tried to hip them to was, hey look at that arm. Look at that ball flight and speed and time in the air in particular, and imagine how fast an NFL corner can close ground.

Like, you guys don’t think that could be an issue for him throwing to the boundaries? Straight down the field too but for sure on the flatter angles it gives them just that little bit of extra time. And they are drafted or evaluated to be drafted off of differences of hundredths of a second. It is a big deal. 

Edited yesterday at 02:31 AM by strato

[strato]

22 minutes ago, PootieNunu said:

Yup exactly. Kids in high school, hell even middle school can float passes 20+ yards down field, but there's a big difference in floating something out there or putting some heat on it and delivering an accurate pass. 

Bryce cannot do the latter. Full stop. Because of this the amount of field that is available on any given play is shrunken because of his limitations. 

If I were making that statement I would concede that if he does everything perfect with his mechanics he can make pretty capable throws.

But his mechanics are horrible. And if he doesn’t do everything right, it is trouble. And he doesn’t do everything right in a repeatable fashion. 
It is what Warner was saying, he doesn’t have room to not maximize his potential via using consistent mechanics. His are a huge mess still after three seasons. Enough. 

[strato]

29 minutes ago, PootieNunu said:

Yup exactly. Kids in high school, hell even middle school can float passes 20+ yards down field, but there's a big difference in floating something out there or putting some heat on it and delivering an accurate pass. 

Bryce cannot do the latter. Full stop. Because of this the amount of field that is available on any given play is shrunken because of his limitations. 

Man I hate the rollouts generally because the defense can only cover one side. 
And then we have the lack of downfield attempts and everyone cheats up because we don’t keep them honest. 
Margins are thin enough without cutting them down yourself. 

[kungfoodude]

3 hours ago, PootieNunu said:

Weakest arm in the league, easily. Combined with terrible footwork and that shits never going to work. Maybe if he could see over the line instead of a constant scramble drill trying to find a throw he can make.

Its like he steps back and hes like fug 3 throws i cant make, fug it ill check it down late af and get my checkdown option blown up. 

Dillon Gabriel would like a word.

There are weaker arms but being in that discussion at all is automatically a massive red flag.

[kungfoodude]

1 hour ago, PootieNunu said:

Yup exactly. Kids in high school, hell even middle school can float passes 20+ yards down field, but there's a big difference in floating something out there or putting some heat on it and delivering an accurate pass. 

Bryce cannot do the latter. Full stop. Because of this the amount of field that is available on any given play is shrunken because of his limitations. 

He can do the latter but that is too rare of an occasion. Now, he isn't going to be throwing Cam Newton/Brett Favre finger nuking lasers but he has thrown a bunch of passes with at least average NFL velocity.

Like I said, it's such a small minority of the cases that it seems like a fluke.

[kungfoodude]

1 hour ago, CRA said:

All you have to do is watch Bryce throw out routes or comebacks to the sideline…..

his arm is 100% on the weaker side starting QB standards.  Not really a debate IMO.  

and you hate watching it because the ball hangs

I would be surprised if it wasn't at least bottom 20%.

[strato]

Bryce throws a ball that can’t cut the wind. 
In the past I have read comments from guys that swear different QBs throwing a ball will yield different rates of deceleration. 
Meaning some guys’ balls will get to the end of their flight path and be strong, and other guys throw balls that die like ducks in hunting season. 
I don’t know the physics but that seems a bit illogical, but I don’t call them liars. They have the experience I don’t. (I imagine the arc is the thing that makes the difference).
 

If that is true my money is on Bryce for not having the strong finish. 

Edited yesterday at 04:07 AM by strato

[SCMunnerlyn1]

On 1/6/2026 at 8:45 AM, electro's horse said:

Why do people keep insisting Bryce is intelligent? Is it just because ESPN keeps saying it?

The panthers are running the most stripped down offense in the league. People need to start considering that’s all Bryce is capable of, mentally as well as physically. 

Is the eye test for me. I see how quickly he gets through checks and everything else at the line. No real delay issues, sets protections. Its obvious hes intelligent. It's a physical issue. 

Which is why i state hes a clipboard holder and thats okay. But its not his fault we traded the farm for that. 

People mix up people saying hes intelligent for saying hes good and thats not what im saying at all. 

Edited yesterday at 02:31 PM by SCMunnerlyn1

[CRA]

10 hours ago, kungfoodude said:

He can do the latter but that is too rare of an occasion. Now, he isn't going to be throwing Cam Newton/Brett Favre finger nuking lasers but he has thrown a bunch of passes with at least average NFL velocity.

Like I said, it's such a small minority of the cases that it seems like a fluke.

Bryce's velocity isn't an issue for most balls pending he gets to make the throw in ideal circumstances.  But only a % of plays afford a QB the luxury of ideal circumstances.  You want a QB that can still get it done when they are forced into less ideal scenarios, throws.  Bryce lacks the arm for that often. 

and even in an ideal world, some of the tougher out routes an things like that are just tough for him to pull off.