Someone's not gonna be happy

[Navy_football]

2 minutes ago, CRA said:

No one is suggesting going all out to get a QB.  You can get a cheap QB that raises the ceiling of our O to be a bridge......while you wait to actually go address the QB. 

Bryce is a bridge QB.  That's the tier QB he is.  A body a team would have as they wait to make a move for QB.  Folks just want a better bridge QB that makes the O more threatening until we go make a move for QB

If a "bridge" QB beats him out then so be it. Just can't see paying $10M+ per or giving up picks. 

[kungfoodude]

12 minutes ago, Navy_football said:

If they can bring in competition that doesn't prevent them from bringing in definite starters at other positions of need, then they should ABSOLUTELY do that. No questions asked. But there are way too many holes on this team that need to be addressed before going all out to get a QB. FTR, the same was true in 2023.

I am not in favor of "going all out." That is a bad plan. I have said repeatedly if we are going to keep Bryce for next season(I am not in favor of this either), that we should jettison Dalton and add both a FA/veteran QB capable of being better than Bryce(smaller bar than Bryce is) AND a DRAFTED rookie QB from Day 2/3. 

Let's get some darts on the board at QB to upgrade while the rest of the roster builds. If we can build a good roster, eventually we can either attract a good veteran QB FA or make another Bryce-like move up because one of our few remaining weaknesses is just QB.

[kungfoodude]

11 minutes ago, mav1234 said:

I don't think Malik Willis is going to demand huge started money but he will get paid decently. It may be he gets a short term contract with a bad team as their started under a new coach. 

But I think QB is one of our bigger needs... However, we don't really have the ability right now to fix it without damaging the rest of the roster like we did in 2023. So yeah I agree... I just don't want a new contract for Bryce. But I'm actually fine with the extension as long as we really do upgrade the QB room overall.

QB is our biggest need but even bringing in Pat Mahomes is not going to turn this team into a consistent contender. We are still at least a couple of very good offseasons away from even thinking about consistency.

Make no mistake, this is still a bad roster. We have to keep plugging away at improving it and we need more 2025 offseasons than 2024 offseasons.

[Montsta]

1 minute ago, electro's horse said:

Also bringing up how clutch a qb is the last bastion for dead enders. You’re now on the same tier as The Golden Calf of Bristol and mark Sanchez defenders. 

I’ll be god damned if I sit idly by while you besmirch the good name of Mark Sanchez. Women want him. Men want to be him. Elderly delivery drivers mace him and stab him. 

[kungfoodude]

11 minutes ago, cranky said:

I think someone is going to pay big for Willis.

But I agree, having a plan B is always smart.

It's possible but I think if you look at the potential options available it's unlikely. He is going to be a FA that some teams love and some teams are highly skeptical of.

Not trying to make a direct comparison(which is very unfair to Willis) but you didn't see a big market unfold for Kyle Allen after his "success" streak in Carolina. 

It's possible you get a team or two willing to pay a Justin Fields level contract($20 mil AAV), but I think a Mac Jones level deal is more likely. Shorter and for less money overall.

[electro's horse]

Talking about not overpaying for a qb in the same thread you advocate dishing out 30 mil for two more years of Bryce is a take. 

[kungfoodude]

11 minutes ago, cranky said:

So Jones is a no go ( we can debate on who is better between the two later ). Since he isn't the long term answer, who else is there you could bring in. I think Willis is gonna cost too much and won't want to come here unless he can be the starter

 

I am not here to say if he is or isn't an option. I would also say that we shouldn't be hyper focused on a long term QB. That contributed to how badly we fuged up the Bryce Young pick. We aren't in a position with this bad of a roster to be QB desperate.

Just focus on getting BETTER and potentially better options. Bryce is clearly a bust so continuing this is just pointless. 

Build the roster, IMPROVE at QB and keep moving forward. 

[Navy_football]

So yall are out on Bryce, but in on Malik Willis? That's... interesting. 

[mrcompletely11]

19 minutes ago, cranky said:

It never fails. Everytime I bring up Young in a post, the three amigos ( electro's horse, mrcompletely11 and CRA. ) always show up.

electro never says anything related to the post, mrcompletely just says "look how good electro sounds" and CRA never says anything new. 

Responding to any of them is just a waste of time.

Do you not want us to read and respond to the threads you start?   What an odd take

[mrcompletely11]

15 minutes ago, electro's horse said:

The whole “pick up the fifth year but also bring in competition” is the weirdest take.

you only pick up the fifth if he’s the guy. You don’t bring in someone to “push” him if you think he’s it.

throwing a seventh or whatever at a project isn’t relevant either way. 

Yep we are in a fuged spot regarding the 5th, personally I dont see one iota of benefit in doing so

[PNW_PantherMan]

12 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

QB is our biggest need but even bringing in Pat Mahomes is not going to turn this team into a consistent contender. We are still at least a couple of very good offseasons away from even thinking about consistency.

Make no mistake, this is still a bad roster. We have to keep plugging away at improving it and we need more 2025 offseasons than 2024 offseasons.

Its not that bad of a roster anymore.  Its not great but its improved.  "Consistent contender" is more about process than current state.

[kungfoodude]

11 minutes ago, Navy_football said:

If a "bridge" QB beats him out then so be it. Just can't see paying $10M+ per or giving up picks. 

Money and draft capital are big factors. We shouldn't be spending wildly in either case unless we are making a long term commitment and the target is worthy of such. I would be nervous to see this coaching staff and FO do that because I question their competence.

I will also say I don't think it even has to be about this idea of "competition" or a "camp competition." If you even go into 2026 with a new QB(or QB's) as depth, they need to be better than or potentially better than Bryce. That should be the case if for no other reason than when Bryce fails, we have some sort of viable options still available to try. What does Dalton accomplish?

5 minutes ago, Navy_football said:

So yall are out on Bryce, but in on Malik Willis? That's... interesting. 

I would gladly take Willis.....details depending. It definitely isn't going to be on a long term, high value contract. That's crazy.

His ceiling is astronomically higher than Bryce and in his limited action in GB this year, he was significantly more effective than Bryce. Smaaaaaall sample size, though. And 0-2 in that sample size, as well. Not someone that anyone should be hyping as a long term answer.

[joeyxfresco]

I’m okay with picking up his 5th year and playing out his contract before making a decision. He hasn’t done enough to warrant the money that we will have to play him if we decide to extend him but he’s been good enough to play out the next two years to give our FO time to make a decision 

[mrcompletely11]

2 minutes ago, PNW_PantherMan said:

Its not that bad of a roster anymore.  Its not great but its improved.  "Consistent contender" is more about process than current state.

Yep, need some qb, defensive help, couple of lineman and we are middle of pack at worst