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TD alt Grand Master

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30 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

Moore will still be a first rounder. It's rare that anyone loses THAT much draft value after one game.

Plus, this is a QB desperate league. I mean, even JJ McCarthy was a top 15 pick. Pickett was a first rounder.

Beck is a 5th to 7th round NFL talent to me. I do agree that finally drafting a QB has to happen, preferably Day 3. Allar, Nussmeier, whomever. We need to throw a dart at QB in this draft.

My son, who is generally right about these types of things (I wouldn't admit to him), says Moore ain't worth it, and that he'd happily trade down if someone wants Moore. He thinks Beck is "trash" too, BTW (we watch Georgia in this house). Of course he had Stroud over Young, told me Caleb Williams wasn't it, and told me that Drake Maye was the real deal before he ever touched a pro field. He's kinda supportive of Bryce right now though, saying that Canales is the biggest problem. To that last sentence, I told him he's crazy. I hope I'm right and he's wrong.

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9 minutes ago, TD alt said:

My son, who is generally right about these types of things (I wouldn't admit to him), says Moore ain't worth it, and that he'd happily trade down if someone wants Moore. He thinks Beck is "trash" too, BTW (we watch Georgia in this house). Of course he had Stroud over Young, told me Caleb Williams wasn't it, and told me that Drake Maye was the real deal before he ever touched a pro field. He's kinda supportive of Bryce right now though, saying that Canales is the biggest problem. To that last sentence, I told him he's crazy. I hope I'm right and he's wrong.

Beck isnt "trash" by any means, but he is certainly not a day 1 guy.  I think the Tyler Shough experiment is going to make a team over draft him based on experience alone.  But the dude clearly has nfl skills he just needs to get his head right, seems like miami did that to him

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12 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

Beck isnt "trash" by any means, but he is certainly not a day 1 guy.  I think the Tyler Shough experiment is going to make a team over draft him based on experience alone.  But the dude clearly has nfl skills he just needs to get his head right, seems like miami did that to him

He has prototypical size and, I guess, "NFL skills," but a lot of guys look the part and show NFL skins intermittently; the problem is that, much like Beck, they show those skills far too inconsistently. That leads to not even making the league, making it and washing out, or being a backup. A few of them actually put it together and become legit franchise QBs. Knowing this, there is no problem taking a swing on day three, which is where I believe Beck belongs. In general, I think that teams are learning not to over-draft these types of guys because of being burnt, or looking at others getting burned.

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57 minutes ago, TD alt said:

My son, who is generally right about these types of things (I wouldn't admit to him), says Moore ain't worth it, and that he'd happily trade down if someone wants Moore. He thinks Beck is "trash" too, BTW (we watch Georgia in this house). Of course he had Stroud over Young, told me Caleb Williams wasn't it, and told me that Drake Maye was the real deal before he ever touched a pro field. He's kinda supportive of Bryce right now though, saying that Canales is the biggest problem. To that last sentence, I told him he's crazy. I hope I'm right and he's wrong.

Moore has a lot of talent but I personally would be reticent to draft him and make him "The Guy" from Day 1. He seems more like a Jordan Love, bench development dude.

Beck is a lower tier gunslinger. Also, if he had issues with needing to be coddled(I don't mean this as harshly as it reads), I don't think that is going to work well in the NFL.

But, it could also be that Smart is just a Saban-esque, massive douche too.

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50 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

Beck isnt "trash" by any means, but he is certainly not a day 1 guy.  I think the Tyler Shough experiment is going to make a team over draft him based on experience alone.  But the dude clearly has nfl skills he just needs to get his head right, seems like miami did that to him

He doesn't have the mental makeup of an NFL athlete.

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3 hours ago, kungfoodude said:

Miami also doesn't have an elite performing secondary and is extremely banged up. That isn't a recipe for success against an otherworldly QB.

IMO, Chambliss performed just as well as Indiana's qb.

But my point was this. 

Oregon's first half offensive possessions went like this last night.

Pick 6 to start the game.

Drive for a TD

Punt

Fumble which led to a Indiana TD.

Punt

Fumble which led to an Indiana TD.

Missed fg.

 

The offense essentially gave Indiana 3 td's.  

 

Alabama wasn't quite as bad, but when down 3-0, they made a bad call to go for it on 4th on their own side of the field, and didn't make it.  Led to an Indiana TD.  Then they had a fumble when they were about to move into fg range.  Indiana scored a td there as well.  From 3-0 to 17-0 in a couple of series, due to Alabama mistakes.  

If Miami can avoid mistakes like that, they have a shot.  Maybe not a good one, but a shot nonetheless.  

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2 hours ago, PNW_PantherMan said:

There's a much better chance that Cignetti hops to another school eventually than the NFL.  I think the offers will get pretty stupid if his success continues.

Also Carson Beck is terrible and not a serious NFL prospect.

Indiana has Mark Cuban money and the largest alumni base in the country. They aren't going to be outbid and he has reached a status at IU he wouldn't get at any other school especially if they win the Championship. I think he retires at IU. I am more surprised his coordinators didn't get HC jobs elsewhere but IU is paying them very well as well.

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12 minutes ago, Davidson Deac II said:

IMO, Chambliss performed just as well as Indiana's qb.

But my point was this. 

Oregon's first half offensive possessions went like this last night.

Pick 6 to start the game.

Drive for a TD

Punt

Fumble which led to a Indiana TD.

Punt

Fumble which led to an Indiana TD.

Missed fg.

 

The offense essentially gave Indiana 3 td's.  

 

Alabama wasn't quite as bad, but when down 3-0, they made a bad call to go for it on 4th on their own side of the field, and didn't make it.  Led to an Indiana TD.  Then they had a fumble when they were about to move into fg range.  Indiana scored a td there as well.  From 3-0 to 17-0 in a couple of series, due to Alabama mistakes.  

If Miami can avoid mistakes like that, they have a shot.  Maybe not a good one, but a shot nonetheless.  

Chambliss isn't even in the same discussion passing the ball as Mendoza. He is a substantial threat with his legs that limits how aggressive Miami could be.

I am telling you, and I really like Cristobal as a HC, but they are gonna get boat raced in that game. Watch.

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3 hours ago, kungfoodude said:

Chambliss isn't even in the same discussion passing the ball as Mendoza. He is a substantial threat with his legs that limits how aggressive Miami could be.

I am telling you, and I really like Cristobal as a HC, but they are gonna get boat raced in that game. Watch.

Yeah, I think Indiana wins comfortably. 

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