Don't be greedy.

[strato]

He may have wanted out but it wasn’t anywhere but here. Felt like once SF was possible it was 100% leave. 
 

He was never my favorite player to be honest. I didn’t care that much. 
I am 100% anti RBs before the 3rd anyway.  Don’t care how good they are. Get the OL right and there are 20 backs a year or more coming out that can produce for you. 
 

I wanted Kamara later. Like, 3rd or 4th and he went in the 3rd. Pretty sure. 
Unless I’m mistaken he out produced CMC that first season and had excellent production for his entire rookie deal. 
 

Now with junior at QB, CMC would probably have torn it up. With Cam you didn’t need that. 

[UnluckyforSome]

Well he's not going to win MVP. Maybe he wins 1 of the other awards, or maybe both, or none. I do think it says something that he is up for a reward that is almost exclusively reserved for qbs. The last non-qb was Tomlinson, maybe Peterson, or Alexander maybe?

 

[LinvilleGorge]

3 hours ago, DJ feed me moore said:

yeah idk, this is year 5 for Stafford in LA and he probably just won MVP. Meanwhile the lions have Jared good but not good enough Goff. If he collects a 2nd SB then man. Tough one to swallow.

Good for the Rams but the Lions weren't going anywhere with him. They're better off after that trade than they were with him.

[HeelsPanthersCanes]

22 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Good for the Rams but the Lions weren't going anywhere with him. They're better off after that trade than they were with him.

They aren't truly better post trade.  Stafford was traded after the 2020 season. 

Dan Campbell became head coach the next year, Ben Johnson elevated to OC the year after that.  That's why they were "better" post trade, until Johnson left. 

With those two calling the shots, and Matthew Stafford, the Lions would have at least one Super Bowl this decade. 

Also, Jamhyr Gibbs, Sam LaPorta, Amon St Brown, Jameson Williams, and David Montgomery were all added post trade, which would've given Stafford more talent than he was ever surrounded by in Detroit.  With respect to Megatron.

Edited 1 hour ago by HeelsPanthersCanes

[kungfoodude]

1 hour ago, PNW_PantherMan said:

I mean he's like a soccer player playing running back.  I know he put on some muscle but still, he's a small guy.  Mazda Miata in a destruction derby was how Rivera used him.

I never buy until that. The list of sub 5-10 NFL RB's is long. 

He is bulky enough but I think he just habitually overtrains and he gets a ton of mileage. That's my theory.

[frankw]

40 minutes ago, UnluckyforSome said:

Well he's not going to win MVP. Maybe he wins 1 of the other awards, or maybe both, or none. I do think it says something that he is up for a reward that is almost exclusively reserved for qbs. The last non-qb was Tomlinson, maybe Peterson, or Alexander maybe?

Tomlinson was a dog. I think CMC is one of the best to ever play as a swiss army knife type of weapon. In terms of pure punishing bruising runner he cannot hold Tomlinson's jock. LT was a literal Ironman. 9 years with the Chargers never played less than 14 games in a season. Missed 3 games total. 12,490 yards. 138 touchdowns. That's an MVP candidate.

Since 2020 CMC has missed 57 games.

Fifty seven.

You can't be the most valuable from the bench brother.

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[frankw]

Wrong thread.

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[strato]

13 minutes ago, frankw said:

Folks complained quite frequently when DJ Moore was here that he was not a #1 and never would be. That was when he was still on a rookie contract and then briefly on the new deal we signed him to which now looks like an absolute steal compared to his current contract. If he were now making what he's making we would never hear the end of it. Gotta turn the page.

I don’t see what would make him so good with Bryce to be honest, that we aren’t covering now with Tet and Coker.

We need a Smitty type. Easier said than done but those smoke screens and stuff, with two Moose types for people to worry about, seems better to me. A little guy with supreme quickness, that will fight for a ball thrown to him. Smitty was a very rare specimen. But try and get close. 
 

I think looking for straight up speed to go downfield, can’t really use it with Bryce. I feel like a speed demon would just outrun Bryce’s ball and have to coast on his deep routes to stay within range.  You need a QB that will launch it 50-60 yards so he can turn on the afterburners and go. 

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[TD alt]

1 hour ago, HeelsPanthersCanes said:

This thread should've ended here. 

Anyone who thinks CMC wanted to be here, PM me for information on a dirt-cheap beach house I have for sale in Omaha. 

As I stated earlier, he only wanted out at the relatively last minute. Those are the facts. All you have to do is research it. 

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[HeelsPanthersCanes]

2 minutes ago, TD alt said:

As I stated earlier, he only wanted out at the relatively last minute. Those are the facts. All you have to do is research it. 

It wasn't his fault he wanted out, not blaming him. 

Another colossal misstep by a front office that hasn't gotten anything right since we drafted Cam.

[strato]

14 minutes ago, strato said:

I don’t see what would make him so good with Bryce to be honest, that we aren’t covering now with Tet and Coker.

We need a Smitty type. Easier said than done but those smoke screens and stuff, with two Moose types for people to worry about, seems better to me. A little guy with supreme quickness, that will fight for a ball thrown to him. Smitty was a very rare specimen. But try and get close. 
 

I think looking for straight up speed to go downfield, can’t really use it with Bryce. I feel like a speed demon would just outrun Bryce’s ball and have to coast on his deep routes to stay within range.  You need a QB that will launch it 50-60 yards so he can turn on the afterburners and go. 

Damn, somehow this ended up in the wrong thread.  Sorry. 

[frankw]

14 minutes ago, strato said:

I don’t see what would make him so good with Bryce to be honest, that we aren’t covering now with Tet and Coker.

We need a Smitty type. Easier said than done but those smoke screens and stuff, with two Moose types for people to worry about, seems better to me. A little guy with supreme quickness, that will fight for a ball thrown to him. Smitty was a very rare specimen. But try and get close. 
 

I think looking for straight up speed to go downfield, can’t really use it with Bryce. I feel like a speed demon would just outrun Bryce’s ball and have to coast on his deep routes to stay within range.  You need a QB that will launch it 50-60 yards so he can turn on the afterburners and go. 

I meant to post that in the other thread about DJ Moore I just got the two mixed up in my tabs.

I do agree we could use some speed. Unfortunately I think we are at a point where we have got to spread our resources around and with what we have invested in the OL already and two firsts in WR and the investments in the backfield it just reaches a point where you have to say alright if your QB and offensive minded head coach can't work with the offensive group as is they'll never succeed.

[strato]

31 minutes ago, frankw said:

I meant to post that in the other thread about DJ Moore I just got the two mixed up in my tabs.

I do agree we could use some speed. Unfortunately I think we are at a point where we have got to spread our resources around and with what we have invested in the OL already and two firsts in WR and the investments in the backfield it just reaches a point where you have to say alright if your QB and offensive minded head coach can't work with the offensive group as is they'll never succeed.

Smitty was a 3rd rounder.  I’m not really saying draft one high at all, 3rd being higher than I have in mind for this year. I am completely with the people that say ‘enough’ high picks on “weapons for Bryce”. Enough of that. Don’t want a weapon drafted early, Yet Again. 
For that matter I wish we weren’t forced to address LOT because I want linebackers and big guys. And OL depth in the mid to late rounds. Maybe some late insurance at RB. 
 

But looking at the WR room and believing Moore is sort of redundant or maybe even not a great fit,  and then just recalling the numerous calls for a burner, I was only really saying what I think would be the best type of addition.