Would kenyon sadiq fill 2 needs?

[firefox1234]

8 minutes ago, PleaseCutStewart said:

Much like RB, I don't think you draft TE in the top 25 unless they are elite level that will be great day 1 in the NFL. I don't think that is Sadiq.

Yes, he showed elite athleticism at the combine, but not sure it really showed up on tape at Oregon. Still worried about how many games he disappeared in last season, if he will be able to block in the NFL (practically all of his blocking was in the spread formation against smaller guys), his drops, and his route running.

He's definitely somebody that can become elite in the NFL, but athleticism alone won't get you there. The hype Sadiq is getting off of his combine results reminds me of the hype Evan Engram got. So I guess the question is... Would you draft Sadiq at 19 if he put up similar career numbers to Evan Engram?

In fairness to Sadiq his combine performance was closer to Vernon Davis, and maybe it’s no coincidence that there college production matches.

However, like you I just don’t see that athleticism enough on tape I’ve seen. Also I was never the biggest Vernon Davis fan since I also thought he disappeared at times for someone with his gifts.

[PleaseCutStewart]

52 minutes ago, firefox1234 said:

I really can’t stress enough how bad this offense could look next season with Rico likely gone. Not just cause my faith in Bryce is low but we have so few chain movers outside of Tmac things could look brutal….maybe Dan and Dave sort it out in FA but I doubt it.

Not saying our offense was great, but Rico did practically nothing the back half of the season (after the GB game). I don't think that will be as big of a loss as we are making it out to be.

[OldhamA]

1 hour ago, firefox1234 said:

I really can’t stress enough how bad this offense could look next season with Rico likely gone. Not just cause my faith in Bryce is low but we have so few chain movers outside of Tmac things could look brutal….maybe Dan and Dave sort it out in FA but I doubt it.

Dowdle was good for a short stretch. He was poor outside those three weeks or so he turned into Adrian Peterson

[OldhamA]

41 minutes ago, micnificent28 said:

To add context. I Think it's worse today like if two people had both injuries at the same time. One ACL the other ruptured patellar.  Like you would be worse off trying to live regular life in the short term with ruptured patellar getting around. But I haven't seen where it's always wearing down and the risk of aggravating it and reinjuring it are as high as say a ACL. 

Also I don't think the recovery time is as long as an ACL injury.

He'll be out for 6-9 months at a minimum, possibly even 12 months and he'll never recover the explosion he once had - if he even comes back (I think it ends the career of like 20% of players that suffer it).

If the research I did on the injury is correct (it was a while ago).

[PleaseCutStewart]

3 minutes ago, micnificent28 said:

So the fact that he was already projected in the first round says he is an elite talent by your argument. This is before the combine numbers. He was already a first round lock that says elite tight end by your measurement. Is he some blocking type player no.. but he is in the Pitts territory of elite H back split type guy. His blocking also isn't as bad as your making it out to be he shows effort and adequate ability. He isn't Sadiq "the freak" for any reason. He's been on NFL radars since before the season.

How many "Freaks" or elite athletes do the Panthers have on their roster? You need game changing guys to put odds in your favor I think. Outside McMillan or Brown I say 0 and even McMillan might not qualify because his size is the only thing elite. He doesn't run 4.3 with 42 plus vertical like this kid, after the combine we would be lucky if he is on the board like what are we even talking about? 

When I say elite, I am talking Bowers and Tony Gonzalez type can't miss prospects. The ones that are the complete package (good athleticism, good blocking, knows how to position body for contested catches, able to run a complete route tree). I also wasn't big on Warren last year (although he at least had the college production) and wasn't sure on Loveland (didn't do enough research on him but was impressed with his route running). I just think TE is a luxury pick for us with how many positions we have that are void of talent. Now, if Sadiq is the best player (by a good margin) our front office thinks is available at 19, then I understand taking him.

My worries with Sadiq is if he has to be used like a Pitts, Engram, etc. type TE where they get lined up in the slot because they can't block LBs or Dlinemen. And if that is what happens, it's pretty much like drafting an athletic tall receiver that isn't capable of running a complete route tree.

And for how many freaks do we have... you do realize we drafted bum ass XL because we thought he was an athletic freak. Turns out that athleticism doesn't mean crap when you are dumb as rocks, can't run routes, and can't catch the ball...  I feel like we have been drafting guys that are displaying elite athleticism at the combine over college production (and I think that has shown why a lot of our drafts prior to last year have sucked)

[PleaseCutStewart]

4 minutes ago, OldhamA said:

Dowdle was good for a short stretch. He was poor outside those three weeks or so he turned into Adrian Peterson

Funny enough, those good games Rico had were when Canales finally put BC at RG. Once BC got hurt, our run game turned to crap again (outside of the GB outlier game)

[strato]

34 minutes ago, micnificent28 said:

Okay so I'm gonna slow down and just talk about the ickey injury. Since I'm not a doctor I asked chatgpt if I was a NFL which injury would you rather have.

Yeah slow down. I have googled and still don’t know if a patella rupture is interchangeable with posterior cruciate ligament. PCL. 

[strato]

14 minutes ago, PleaseCutStewart said:

Funny enough, those good games Rico had were when Canales finally put BC at RG. Once BC got hurt, our run game turned to crap again (outside of the GB outlier game)

Yeah. As great as he looked, and it was fun as hell watching that, when you look at the postgame reviews of the plays there were some huge holes for him to run through. It wasn’t all him.  
 

We get the OL straight we can get production. 

IMO the single biggest thing we are missing at RB, is a short yardage bull. Especially with a QB that is no help there, we need to address that. 
 

 

[Tomcatn]

3 hours ago, jfra78 said:

TE is a waste in this offense.  DC has never shown that he values the position as a receiving threat.  

This^^

[TD alt]

2 hours ago, micnificent28 said:

This isn't a ACL tear. I would say his chances of returning to form are great. 

A ruptured patellar tendon offers worse odds than an ACL. The fact is, no one knows his potential to return to form. It's certainly too early to know anything, especially from a fan's viewpoint. I hope he returns, but the fact is is that only around 50-55 percent of NFL players across all positions return at all from this injury according to Google AI, and roughly 22 percent of them return to their previous level of play after two years. For O-lineman it's likely even less considering their weight and movement requirements for the job. I truly hope for the best, but we can't count on him returning, much less returning to form. I tell you all this in order to inform you of the seriousness of the situation.

Edited 3 hours ago by TD alt

[micnificent28]

1 hour ago, OldhamA said:

He'll be out for 6-9 months at a minimum, possibly even 12 months and he'll never recover the explosion he once had - if he even comes back (I think it ends the career of like 20% of players that suffer it).

If the research I did on the injury is correct (it was a while ago).

I asked chat GPT about the injury if you scroll back a few posts and posted the results but it said that PCL long-term is better there should be no lingering effects so it shouldn't have a long-term effect on his career so I don't think you should look at it as he won't be the same player it's much more preferred over having an ACL injury which does change your long-term trajectory so I think if he's only going to miss maybe half the season or less you're better off getting a veteran or drafting a guy later to feel that stopgap until he returns to full form

Also believe it or not the recovery time for PCL is shorter than an ACL tear so give me that nine times out of 10. Looking at the time frame I think he starts to season on the PUP list but after that he should be a go

Edited 2 hours ago by micnificent28

[MHS831]

Not trying to derail the topic, but my LB crush Golday from Cincinnati is a 6'4" 245 lb WLB who has experience as an edge player.  Imagine what you could do with that.....

We have Jones II and Scourton to start and hold the edge--imagine a LB who can step up and play the 9tech while Scourton and or Jones slide down.  Princely should improve.  We could kill 2 birds here--at least on paper.

[micnificent28]

38 minutes ago, MHS831 said:

Not trying to derail the topic, but my LB crush Golday from Cincinnati is a 6'4" 245 lb WLB who has experience as an edge player.  Imagine what you could do with that.....

We have Jones II and Scourton to start and hold the edge--imagine a LB who can step up and play the 9tech while Scourton and or Jones slide down.  Princely should improve.  We could kill 2 birds here--at least on paper.

I think Jones becomes a cat casualty but by all means I love goldday I have him and Rodriguez's second round targets in my eyes first round I'm swinging for the fences on talent

[PleaseCutStewart]

2 hours ago, firefox1234 said:

In fairness to Sadiq his combine performance was closer to Vernon Davis, and maybe it’s no coincidence that there college production matches.

However, like you I just don’t see that athleticism enough on tape I’ve seen. Also I was never the biggest Vernon Davis fan since I also thought he disappeared at times for someone with his gifts.

At least Davis had an excuse being stuck on a crappy Maryland team that played a generic pro style offense (and still got 300 more yards than Sadiq in 3 less games). Oregon had a Heisman caliber QB throwing him the ball + an Oregon scheme that is very offense friendly.

But agree that Davis had similar concerns going into the draft with his route running ability. That being said, Davis was a far more established blocker going into the draft than Sadiq.