2027: Sharing my thoughts on the cap without a lotta research

[cranky]

46 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

This is the year Goddamnit, this is the off season where he really fixes his mechanics and footwork.

 

Granted I have heard that for years now but this really is the year.  Really.  No more netflix, no more chilling but all work on the mechanics.

I've never had a problem with his footwork or mechanics so am not looking for him to fix them.

I do agree though that this is the year. Boom or bust!

[mrcompletely11]

Your last 2 posts are just a chefs kiss.  And not in the way you think

[jfra78]

13 minutes ago, cranky said:

We had a QB in that exact spot!

As a rookie, Cam Newton had Steve Smith (PB), Greg Olsen (PB), Brandon LaFell, Ted Ginn JR, Deangelo Williams (PB), Jonathan Stewart (PB), Jordan Grossn (PB), Ryan Kalil (PB) on the offensive side and then he had Luke Kuechly (PB), Jon Beason (PB), Thomas Davis (PB), Star Lotulelei, Kawann Short ( PB ),Charles Johnson, Greg Hardy (PB ), Mike Mitchell, Josh Norman (PB) and others that I can't remember right now on the defensive side. Even with all those pro bowlers and talent, he only had 3 winning seasons in his career and he never put consecutive winning seasons together. His best year was his 5th year ( 2015 ) when he went to the SB. That was only his second winning season. He would only have one other winning season the rest of his career. And yet Newton is considered a great QB and is revered on this board. 

If you don't like Young because you don't think he could win even with top tier talent, than what do you say about Newton who did have it and couldn't win.

 

This can't be a serious post

[cranky]

9 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

Your last 2 posts are just a chefs kiss.  And not in the way you think

I knew you would like them 

[cranky]

1 minute ago, jfra78 said:

This can't be a serious post

It absolutely is. The guy said Young is so bad he couldn't even win with a pro bowl roster. So if that is his criteria for talent, then by HIS measure, Newton is a bust as well. Now we all know Newton wasn't so by that measure, neither would Young be in that same situation.

[mrcompletely11]

5 minutes ago, jfra78 said:

This can't be a serious post

Keep reading it gets better

[Move the Panthers to Raleigh]

I can’t wait until BY is gone or just majorly steps his game up (unlikely) because every discussion just leads back to him

[cranky]

1 minute ago, mrcompletely11 said:

Keep reading it gets better

[LinvilleGorge]

36 minutes ago, cranky said:

We had a QB in that exact spot!

As a rookie, Cam Newton had Steve Smith (PB), Greg Olsen (PB), Brandon LaFell, Ted Ginn JR, Deangelo Williams (PB), Jonathan Stewart (PB), Jordan Grossn (PB), Ryan Kalil (PB) on the offensive side and then he had Luke Kuechly (PB), Jon Beason (PB), Thomas Davis (PB), Star Lotulelei, Kawann Short ( PB ),Charles Johnson, Greg Hardy (PB ), Mike Mitchell, Josh Norman (PB) and others that I can't remember right now on the defensive side. Even with all those pro bowlers and talent, he only had 3 winning seasons in his career and he never put consecutive winning seasons together. His best year was his 5th year ( 2015 ) when he went to the SB. That was only his second winning season. He would only have one other winning season the rest of his career. And yet Newton is considered a great QB and is revered on this board. 

If you don't like Young because you don't think he could win even with top tier talent, than what do you say about Newton who did have it and couldn't win.

 

Yes, the QB who went 15-1 and made it to the SB with Ted Ginn Jr. as his #1 WR while also often leading the team in rushing and rushing TDs with a revolving door of largely trash tier OTs is super comparable to Bryce Young. Clownish argument.

The thing we are doing better this time around is actually surrounding our #1 overall draft pick QB with talent vs. asking him to completely carry the offense. I just hope that effort is leading us to realize that the guy isn't even good enough to get carried.

[cranky]

40 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Yes, the QB who went 15-1 and made it to the SB with Ted Ginn Jr. as his #1 WR while also often leading the team in rushing and rushing TDs with a revolving door of largely trash tier OTs is super comparable to Bryce Young. Clownish argument.

Not exactly sure that is an honest assesment of the talent he had to work with that year. Olsen had over 1100 yards that season making the PB, Stewart had close to 1100 total yards also going to the PB. He had Kalil at C who went to the PB, Trai Turner at RG who also went to the PB, and Michael Oher at LT who played well enough that the Panthers offered him a new contract the following year. I wouldn't call that a trash OL. He also played with a defense that was stacked with talent as well. 

 "The thing we are doing better this time around is actually surrounding our #1 overall draft pick QB with talent vs. asking him to completely carry the offense. I just hope that effort is leading us to realize that the guy isn't even good enough to get carried."

Please.... Did you not read the list of names Newton had to work with his rookie season. I guess you missed it so I will post it again for you...

Steve Smith (PB), Greg Olsen (PB), Brandon LaFell, Ted Ginn JR, Deangelo Williams (PB), Jonathan Stewart (PB), Jordan Grossn (PB), Ryan Kalil (PB) on the offensive side and then he had Luke Kuechly (PB), Jon Beason (PB), Thomas Davis (PB), Star Lotulelei, Kawann Short ( PB ),Charles Johnson, Greg Hardy (PB ), Mike Mitchell, Josh Norman (PB) 

For comparison, here is who Young had his first year. 

Chuba Hubbard, DJ Chark, Jonathan Mingo, Adam Thielen, Hayden Hurst, Ikem Ekwonu, Chandler Zavala, Bradley Bozeman, Nash Jensen and Taylor Morton. Not a single PB player on the list and most of them aren't even playing any longer. Additionally, his HC was fired during the season and the defense was as bad as the offense. 

You might not like the comparison but saying Newton had to completely carry the offense isn't exactly fair to the 4 pro bowlers on offense who played with him that year.

[LinvilleGorge]

7 minutes ago, cranky said:

Not exactly sure that is an honest assesment of the talent he had to work with that year. Olsen had over 1100 yards that season making the PB, Stewart had close to 1100 total yards also going to the PB. He had Kalil at C who went to the PB, Trai Turner at RG who also went to the PB, and Michael Oher at LT who played well enough that the Panthers offered him a new contract the following year. I wouldn't call that a trash OL. He also played with a defense that was stacked with talent as well. 

 "The thing we are doing better this time around is actually surrounding our #1 overall draft pick QB with talent vs. asking him to completely carry the offense. I just hope that effort is leading us to realize that the guy isn't even good enough to get carried."

Please.... Did you not read the list of names Newton had to work with his rookie season. I guess you missed it so I will post it again for you...

Steve Smith (PB), Greg Olsen (PB), Brandon LaFell, Ted Ginn JR, Deangelo Williams (PB), Jonathan Stewart (PB), Jordan Grossn (PB), Ryan Kalil (PB) on the offensive side and then he had Luke Kuechly (PB), Jon Beason (PB), Thomas Davis (PB), Star Lotulelei, Kawann Short ( PB ),Charles Johnson, Greg Hardy (PB ), Mike Mitchell, Josh Norman (PB) 

For comparison, here is who Young had his first year. 

Chuba Hubbard, DJ Chark, Jonathan Mingo, Adam Thielen, Hayden Hurst, Ikem Ekwonu, Chandler Zavala, Bradley Bozeman, Nash Jensen and Taylor Morton. Not a single PB player on the list and most of them aren't even playing any longer. Additionally, his HC was fired during the season and the defense was as bad as the offense. 

You might not like the comparison but saying Newton had to completely carry the offense isn't exactly fair to the 4 pro bowlers on offense who played with him that year.

Rookie season being key to uour argument.

I didn't at all mislead about the talent Cam had to work with. Kalil was a great center. Olsen was a great TE. Our WRs were probably the worst in the league. Cam still won MVP, we went 15-1, and we went to the SB.

Your attempt to bring up Cam to defend Bryce is desperate and clownish. Bryce has more talent to work with and has done WAY less.

[strato]

1 hour ago, cranky said:

10 minutes ago, cranky said:

Not exactly sure that is an honest assesment of the talent he had to work with that year. Olsen had over 1100 yards that season making the PB, Stewart had close to 1100 total yards also going to the PB. He had Kalil at C who went to the PB, Trai Turner at RG who also went to the PB, and Michael Oher at LT who played well enough that the Panthers offered him a new contract the following year. I wouldn't call that a trash OL. He also played with a defense that was stacked with talent as well. 

 "The thing we are doing better this time around is actually surrounding our #1 overall draft pick QB with talent vs. asking him to completely carry the offense. I just hope that effort is leading us to realize that the guy isn't even good enough to get carried."

Please.... Did you not read the list of names Newton had to work with his rookie season. I guess you missed it so I will post it again for you...

Steve Smith (PB), Greg Olsen (PB), Brandon LaFell, Ted Ginn JR, Deangelo Williams (PB), Jonathan Stewart (PB), Jordan Grossn (PB), Ryan Kalil (PB) on the offensive side and then he had Luke Kuechly (PB), Jon Beason (PB), Thomas Davis (PB), Star Lotulelei, Kawann Short ( PB ),Charles Johnson, Greg Hardy (PB ), Mike Mitchell, Josh Norman (PB) 

For comparison, here is who Young had his first year. 

Chuba Hubbard, DJ Chark, Jonathan Mingo, Adam Thielen, Hayden Hurst, Ikem Ekwonu, Chandler Zavala, Bradley Bozeman, Nash Jensen and Taylor Morton. Not a single PB player on the list and most of them aren't even playing any longer. Additionally, his HC was fired during the season and the defense was as bad as the offense. 

You might not like the comparison but saying Newton had to completely carry the offense isn't exactly fair to the 4 pro bowlers on offense who played with him that year.

 

Would you just fuging quit trying to make us like him? That is his job, not yours.  Thank you. 

[cranky]

16 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Rookie season being key to uour argument.

I didn't at all mislead about the talent Cam had to work with. Kalil was a great center. Olsen was a great TE. Our WRs were probably the worst in the league. Cam still won MVP, we went 15-1, and we went to the SB.

Your attempt to bring up Cam to defend Bryce is desperate and clownish. Bryce has more talent to work with and has done WAY less.

Trai Turner was a 5 time pro bowler - not  some "trash OT" guy and Stewart went to the PB that year as well.

Anyway, if you really think Newton didn't have any talent to work with after I listed the 10 pro bowlers on the team his rookie years, than I guess there's nothing left for me to say.

[cranky]

19 minutes ago, strato said:

Would you just fuging quit trying to make us like him? That is his job, not yours.  Thank you. 

I can assure you I am not trying to make anyone like him as I know that's a fools game at this point. I just like the "friendly" banter to be honest lol.