Carolina Hurricanes vs.Vegas Golden Knights (Stanley Cup Final Game 1) | ESPN on ABC Tuesday, June 2 | 8:00 PM

[Panthers Fan 69]

33 minutes ago, TLGPanthersFan said:

I haven’t given up but the way we lost is not encouraging. 
Seen that too often often these last 8 years and Vegas is big and physical like the Panthers are. 

Went back to watching the highlights. With a sober mind haha. Here is what I saw. 
 

freddie needs to make 1 of those but the rest aren’t on him. 
 

Slavin was BBBBAAAD again last night. Not sure what is going on with these game one Slavin gafs. 
 

miller was ok but had his worst game in the playoffs so far. 
 

nikishin was no good. His his awful turnover led to the first goal at the end of the first period that just can’t happen.

ghost was beat like a drum multiple times last night, including the go-ahead goal at the end

jarivs wont shoot. He is either hurt or he is struggling mentally and I think it could be a combination of both. He passed up a wide open net on the power-play only to pass it to no one and cleared it himself.  
 

Svech played well. He is getting zero help on that line. 
 

aho. Worst game as a pro. I mean that. He won’t shoot it, passes go to no one and turns it over repeatedly.  He did exactly what they did against Montreal game one when Miller had a turnover. Aho left his man to go help and left the golden Knight player wide open in front of Freddie.  If I was Rod, you Tell Aho when that thing hits your stick you fire it  someone needs to sit him down just him in a room and ask what’s going on. He seems soft, timid and has zero fire.

 

canes could have won that game   There isn’t a gap between these two teams  they are dead even  

Carter Hart’s gonna get lit up in this series. We can beat that guy. the consensus last night was our defense played horrible and our stars won’t score.  clean the defense up. Tell the top line to shoot it everything and we’ll win tomorrow night.   Possibly convincingly. 
 

[PleaseCutStewart]

Only thing that worries me is that I thought the game 1 loss to Montreal was fluky because we gave up so many breakaways and looked much better after the 1st period.

I don't think our game 1 loss to Vegas was fluky - they also like to forecheck and we struggled to get it out of our D zone much of the 2nd and 3rd period. Probably the 1st time all playoffs the Stank line looked terrible - hopefully that is just a one time thing this series or we are in trouble with how much of a no show the Aho line has been.

[TLGPanthersFan]

1 hour ago, Panthers Fan 69 said:

Went back to watching the highlights. With a sober mind haha. Here is what I saw. 
 

freddie needs to make 1 of those but the rest aren’t on him. 
 

Slavin was BBBBAAAD again last night. Not sure what is going on with these game one Slavin gafs. 
 

miller was ok but had his worst game in the playoffs so far. 
 

nikishin was no good. His his awful turnover led to the first goal at the end of the first period that just can’t happen.

ghost was beat like a drum multiple times last night, including the go-ahead goal at the end

jarivs wont shoot. He is either hurt or he is struggling mentally and I think it could be a combination of both. He passed up a wide open net on the power-play only to pass it to no one and cleared it himself.  
 

Svech played well. He is getting zero help on that line. 
 

aho. Worst game as a pro. I mean that. He won’t shoot it, passes go to no one and turns it over repeatedly.  He did exactly what they did against Montreal game one when Miller had a turnover. Aho left his man to go help and left the golden Knight player wide open in front of Freddie.  If I was Rod, you Tell Aho when that thing hits your stick you fire it  someone needs to sit him down just him in a room and ask what’s going on. He seems soft, timid and has zero fire.

 

canes could have won that game   There isn’t a gap between these two teams  they are dead even  

Carter Hart’s gonna get lit up in this series. We can beat that guy. the consensus last night was our defense played horrible and our stars won’t score.  clean the defense up. Tell the top line to shoot it everything and we’ll win tomorrow night.   Possibly convincingly. 
 

At this point I am calm. I plan to at least watch the next game but I may just have the game on in the background if we go down 0-2. 
Rod hasn’t been the best at adjusting and I doubt there will be any adjusting for game 2. Rod just runs his system and hopes it works. 
If we lose I just hope we are not swept. That would be humiliating. To go 12-1 and get swept. 
Also saw a stat that Stanley Cup teams to go up 2-0 in the first period are 55-0. Vegas is the first team to come back and win. Let that sink in. 

[TylerDurden]

Maybe I’m ignorant, as I know sometimes the skaters can leave their goalie out to dry - but, I have not understood the love affair for Freddie.  I keep seeing the argument that he doesn’t make all of the saves, but he makes the ones that matter - but I’ve felt like that’s bullshit.  It’s relative easy to look good as a goalie when the other team was only getting 15 fuging shots a game.

The thing that troubles me about last night, as anticipated, was that I knew it would be Freddie’s first real test in regards to a team that was deep enough and loaded enough to match us physically, and consistently.  And it seems once we’re not able to bully teams with the forecheck and force them out of being comfortable and they’re able to actually get SOG, then last night is the result.

But, aside from me not trusting Freddie, none of the games I’ve watched this playoffs (I missed GM 1 vs Montreal), did we look so sloppy.  Sloppy passes, sloppy/non-existent reception of passes that did get through, sloppy puck handling… shots were pretty damn high-quality, we just had a much harder time getting into positions to shoot them.  
 

Again, I know it might be over simplifying things, but we were almost dead even in SOG, and they won with both goalies having less than stellar save percentages as a result of the relatively low SOG for both teams with respect to the final score.  And that’s why I just haven’t trusted Freddie despite the halo of protection that most have when talking about him…  when a team’s skaters are close to or equal to ours, he doesn’t “save the ones we need.”

[TLGPanthersFan]

1 hour ago, PleaseCutStewart said:

Only thing that worries me is that I thought the game 1 loss to Montreal was fluky because we gave up so many breakaways and looked much better after the 1st period.

I don't think our game 1 loss to Vegas was fluky - they also like to forecheck and we struggled to get it out of our D zone much of the 2nd and 3rd period. Probably the 1st time all playoffs the Stank line looked terrible - hopefully that is just a one time thing this series or we are in trouble with how much of a no show the Aho line has been.

Game two will tell a lot. If we go down 0-2 that may be series. 

[TLGPanthersFan]

Just now, TylerDurden said:

Maybe I’m ignorant, as I know sometimes the skaters can leave their goalie out to dry - but, I have not understood the love affair for Freddie.  I keep seeing the argument that he doesn’t make all of the saves, but he makes the ones that matter - but I’ve felt like that’s bullshit.  It’s relative easy to look good as a goalie when the other team was only getting 15 fuging shots a game.

The thing that troubles me about last night, as anticipated, was that I knew it would be Freddie’s first real test in regards to a team that was deep enough and loaded enough to match us physically, and consistently.  And it seems once we’re not able to bully teams with the forecheck and force them out of being comfortable and they’re able to actually get SOG, then last night is the result.

But, aside from me not trusting Freddie, none of the games I’ve watched this playoffs (I missed GM 1 vs Montreal), did we look so sloppy.  Sloppy passes, sloppy/non-existent reception of passes that did get through, sloppy puck handling… shots were pretty damn high-quality, we just had a much harder time getting into positions to shoot them.  
 

Again, I know it might be over simplifying things, but we were almost dead even in SOG, and they won with both goalies having less than stellar save percentages as a result of the relatively low SOG for both teams with respect to the final score.  And that’s why I just haven’t trusted Freddie despite the halo of protection that most have when talking about him…  when a team’s skaters are close to or equal to ours, he doesn’t “save the ones we need.”

I have never been a fan of Freddy’s. I think he is a solid goalie but midnight will eventually strike with him in net. 
During the playoffs Freddy was helped a lot from our defense not allowing many SOG and puck luck.  Any goalie only getting 10-14 shots against him is gonna look impressive on the stat sheet. 
We need to do something about the goalie in the off-season. But if history is any indication we won’t. 

[PleaseCutStewart]

1 hour ago, TylerDurden said:

Maybe I’m ignorant, as I know sometimes the skaters can leave their goalie out to dry - but, I have not understood the love affair for Freddie.  I keep seeing the argument that he doesn’t make all of the saves, but he makes the ones that matter - but I’ve felt like that’s bullshit.  It’s relative easy to look good as a goalie when the other team was only getting 15 fuging shots a game.

The thing that troubles me about last night, as anticipated, was that I knew it would be Freddie’s first real test in regards to a team that was deep enough and loaded enough to match us physically, and consistently.  And it seems once we’re not able to bully teams with the forecheck and force them out of being comfortable and they’re able to actually get SOG, then last night is the result.

But, aside from me not trusting Freddie, none of the games I’ve watched this playoffs (I missed GM 1 vs Montreal), did we look so sloppy.  Sloppy passes, sloppy/non-existent reception of passes that did get through, sloppy puck handling… shots were pretty damn high-quality, we just had a much harder time getting into positions to shoot them.  
 

Again, I know it might be over simplifying things, but we were almost dead even in SOG, and they won with both goalies having less than stellar save percentages as a result of the relatively low SOG for both teams with respect to the final score.  And that’s why I just haven’t trusted Freddie despite the halo of protection that most have when talking about him…  when a team’s skaters are close to or equal to ours, he doesn’t “save the ones we need.”

I think you will be hard pressed to find a single person on this forum that likes having Freddie in net for us. But much like the game 1 Montreal game, the defense let him down big time. 2 goals were deflections he pretty much had no chance on and 2 were passes to the slot where the shooter had all day to shoot. All 4 of them happened because of bad turnovers behind the net (one of the worst places you can turn it over because the G can't see what is going on behind the net). I think 1 goal Freddie could have done better on, but otherwise not much he could do.

I think Freddie played better than Hart. Unfortunately our entire team (outside of Ehlers/Staal/Marty and maybe Blake) laid a giant egg yesterday. Like, we looked really, really bad with the amount of pucks we lost with no pressure, the amount of bad passes we had, and the amount of times our guys just fell over like it was their first time skating on ice.

[TylerDurden]

1 hour ago, TLGPanthersFan said:

I have never been a fan of Freddy’s. I think he is a solid goalie but midnight will eventually strike with him in net. 
During the playoffs Freddy was helped a lot from our defense not allowing many SOG and puck luck.  Any goalie only getting 10-14 shots against him is gonna look impressive on the stat sheet. 
We need to do something about the goalie in the off-season. But if history is any indication we won’t. 

 

38 minutes ago, PleaseCutStewart said:

I think you will be hard pressed to find a single person on this forum that likes having Freddie in net for us. But much like the game 1 Montreal game, the defense let him down big time. 2 goals were deflections he pretty much had no chance on and 2 were passes to the slot where the shooter had all day to shoot. All 4 of them happened because of bad turnovers behind the net (one of the worst places you can turn it over because the G can't see what is going on behind the net). I think 1 goal Freddie could have done better on, but otherwise not much he could do.

I think Freddie played better than Hart. Unfortunately our entire team (outside of Ehlers/Staal/Marty and maybe Blake) laid a giant egg yesterday. Like, we looked really, really bad with the amount of pucks we lost with no pressure, the amount of bad passes we had, and the amount of times our guys just fell over like it was their first time skating on ice.

Yeah, I’m not fairweather by any stretch.  Y’all know I’m ride or die for our homestate teams, I just don’t pay as much detailed attention until the playoffs…. Which is different than the Panthers or Hornets, but I keep up, just not as well.  So, I was surprised during our playoff run how so well-regarded Freddie was among talking heads and other fans I’ve listened to.  On 99.9 The Fan, all of the radio guys and fans calling in love him and seem to swear by him.  I was legitimately surprised, bc again, I’m no Wayne Gretzky, but I think the math is pretty simple - when a goalie is skating by, pun intended, because the skaters on the ice aren’t even allowing the other team into their offensive zone, your job is pretty fuging easy.  And even then, some of those games, I felt he gave up a cheapie here or there.  So, this felt like the first REAL test.

But, I agree…  from watching the game last night, that puck handling, passing, and decision making after we went up 2 was mostly shitty and, at times, reckless.  Seeing our mentality and physicality matched by Vegas and them come out with the win was disheartening to say the least.

[WelshPanther]

3 hours ago, TLGPanthersFan said:

At this point I am calm. I plan to at least watch the next game but I may just have the game on in the background if we go down 0-2. 
Rod hasn’t been the best at adjusting and I doubt there will be any adjusting for game 2. Rod just runs his system and hopes it works. 
If we lose I just hope we are not swept. That would be humiliating. To go 12-1 and get swept. 
Also saw a stat that Stanley Cup teams to go up 2-0 in the first period are 55-0. Vegas is the first team to come back and win. Let that sink in. 

Also saw a stat that game 1 winners win the cup 76% of time. So we need to kill that stat as well.