All Signs Point to Newton as Panthers' #1

[Matthias]

Why do you worry that he ran for 1,400 (actually) and 20 TDs but leave out the fact that he also threw for nearly 3,000 yards and 30 TDs. In an offense he was still learning halfway thru the season??

Because those yards are skewed. People was so afraid of his running ability, anytime he faked the run, defenses would completely shut down, leaving his guys wide open down the field. If Newton did that in the NFL facing a blitzing steeler defense, he may find his leg lying next to him when he wakes up.

[KBRed]

Because those yards are skewed. People was so afraid of his running ability, anytime he faked the run, defenses would completely shut down, leaving his guys wide open down the field. If Newton did that in the NFL facing an blitzing steeler defense, he may find his leg lying next to him when he wakes up.

Not on either side here, but that was a terrible argument. The guy is the epitome of an athlete. I don't think he would get injured all too easily. And if defenses (pro or college) are afraid he will run, then passing will most likely be available.

[teeray]

Because those yards are skewed. People was so afraid of his running ability, anytime he faked the run, defenses would completely shut down, leaving his guys wide open down the field. If Newton did that in the NFL facing a blitzing steeler defense, he may find his leg lying next to him when he wakes up.

How is that different then when you are running a play action pass in the NFL?

Keep in mind that Newton is bigger than any linebacker on our roster so he isn't e delicate little flower. Those big bad linebackers sure have trouble tackling Big Ben and The Golden Calf of Bristol was a very effective runner in his three starts.

However, I would agree that I don't want cam running 15+ times a game like he did in college.

[Matthias]

I don't know, there's no question he has the physical tools, but I question his work ethic and attitude. We heard how he got a little defensive in the interview process at the combine, about not taking a knee in the championship game. I wasn't all that bothered that he got a little miffed or was caught off gaurd by the question (he shouldn't have been), yet going against the coach's orders of taking a knee is a red flag for me.

When things really start getting tough out there, we see what guys are truly made of. At Auburn, Cam enjoyed success pretty much through the whole season, and his ability alone got him through. Yet in the big leagues, even the Peyton Mannings and the Tom Bradys of the world struggle. Will Cam Newton hold up?

I wouldn't be too thrilled about it if we did pick him, I'm still kind of hoping in the back of my mind that we can still get Luck next year. (Either through a trade or lockout through the 2011-12 season and we get the first pick in 2012) Yet if we pick Newton and he pans out, I will be pleasantly surprised. (And say I knew it all along:cool:)

[teeray]

I don't know, there's no question he has the physical tools, but I question his work ethic and attitude. We heard how he got a little defensive in the interview process at the combine, about not taking a knee in the championship game. I wasn't all that bothered that he got a little miffed or was caught off gaurd by the question (he shouldn't have been), yet going against the coach's orders of taking a knee is a red flag for me.

When things really start getting tough out there, we see what guys are truly made of. At Auburn, Cam enjoyed success pretty much through the whole season, and his ability alone got him through. Yet in the big leagues, even the Peyton Mannings and the Tom Bradys of the world struggle. Will Cam Newton hold up?

I wouldn't be too thrilled about it if we did pick him, I'm still kind of hoping in the back of my mind that we can still get Luck next year. (Either through a trade or lockout through the 2011-12 season and we get the first pick in 2012) Yet if we pick Newton and he pans out, I will be pleasantly surprised. (And say I knew it all along:cool:)

I get what you are saying but it wasn't like he didn't face adversity:

Auburn trailed Clemson by 17 and won by 3. It trailed South Carolina by 13, and won by eight. It trailed Arkansas by six in the fourth quarter, and won by 22. It trailed Kentucky, LSU and Ole Miss, and won those games. It trailed Georgia by 14, and won by 18 to win the SEC West title.

But nothing was sweeter for Auburn than beating Alabama with the biggest comeback in Auburn history, and the biggest collapse in Alabama history.

[teeray]

And that last sentence of your post had me LOLing

[Bj-Monster23]

You mean like Newton? Newton has never been the #1 guy from the start. Usually a QB dominates the #1 pick, but this year there is no clear cut QB for #1...and that's saying something. Many mocks have Newton in the 6-10 range, so why people think we'd jump at #1 for him especially after a sub-par combine and typical Pro Day is beyond me.

Nobody havent said that newton was the best QB in the draft. They always said he has the best upside or the best potential. But most people have Blaine the game number 1. And he havent either threw a single pass for no scout.But he has the best accuracy and good arm and alot of upside so why isnt he number 1 hands down. Because there is as much doubt about Gabbert then it is as Newton. Neither of these guys isnt going to come in and help Carolina win.I dont think it will happen this season. But if i had to go with a QB it will have to be Newton. He has the opportunity to be really great.

Its really if he wants to be great or not. Thats up 2 him. But if I knew he was going to come in a do what he suppose to do and be a Gym rat and a film rat and use ever chance he has to get better. I will Take him hands down number 1.

See the big question with newton is his character and work ethic and accuracy, if everything is good then he will be alright. But Gabbert he can be really good. But can he do what Carolina wants him to do, Can he be a winner.Will he make better decisions when he pass the ball. They both have question its up to the coaching staff witch guy they think they can fix. And to be honest i dont think they can fix none of them as in Newton or Gabbert.

Thats why i see us taking Dareus,fairley,P.P or Von Miller.

[chef17]

How is that different then when you are running a play action pass in the NFL?

Keep in mind that Newton is bigger than any linebacker on our roster so he isn't e delicate little flower. Those big bad linebackers sure have trouble tackling Big Ben and The Golden Calf of Bristol was a very effective runner in his three starts.

However, I would agree that I don't want cam running 15+ times a game like he did in college.

Beason is 6'0 237= 3.29 pounds per inch

Cam is 6'5 250= 3.21 pounds per inch

Cam isn't bigger than any linebacker on our roster

[Proudiddy]

Why do you think I am emotionally attached?? Because I think we should draft a QB. Is that really that illogical? I happen to think there are at least 3 really good QBs in this draft. Cam Newton has the most upside of the three so I prefer him. You think there are none.

That is fine but how does that make you so much less emotionally attached than everybody else??

LOL at you thinking you are the only one smart enough to have an opinion and not be emotionally unstable in their thinking. It is absurd and shows immense stupidity.

How many times have I said I also like Dareus or PP7 if we don't pick a QB?

Get over yourself. You ain't that fugging smart.

Because, they can't have an argument with you without making up your side first. They're not capable of gathering facts and opinions from you and talking it out point by point.

They call people that want Cam to be the #1 pick "emotional" yet I've been personally insulted twice now by Anti-Cam clones, mad because I defended the pick with logic and football reasons, not because I'm a "Cam Fan" but because it makes sense on so many levels. So who's emotional about it?

I guess when you know nothing but how to build strawman arguments, you get to be the authority on every issue in the universe, well at least on a message board when you have lots of internet friends.

I've had good things to say about Peterson, Dareus, and Mallett, but I don't care for Gabbert, and I've expressed all of that - both good and bad - about each of those players in various threads. I also like Marvin Austin... BUT, I don't specifically go in any of those threads to mindlessly and purposely trash a player. There's a difference between expressing an objective opinion on things and then there's talking out of your ass emotionally as you troll threads about the same player.

Dude Scot, you are in denial the likes that I have never seen. Every time there is something about Cam on here that is positive or is evidence that he will possibly be our pick you immediately shoot it down, or down play it, or call it a smoke screen, or explain it away as due diligence, and now you have resorted to saying Tom Sorensen is just making stuff up.

I don't think anyone on here thinks Newton is a lock (well most of us don't), but for some reason you are constantly trying to convince yourself that all this interest means nothing, is fabricated by journalists, or is just a bluff.

Just deal with it. You may have your wish and we trade down or go in a different direction like PP or Gabbert.

But your constant theories to try and convince yourself that that Panthers aren't at least seriously considering this guy as the pick is fooling no one but yourself.

It can't be... The other difference here is that they are purposely going into Cam threads to provoke pro-Cam people. But, while doing so they ignore the facts and reasoning behind the 'Cam for #1' pick crowd... Which leads me to the next point...

But the same Cam Haters would want Luck if he came out this year. They could care less about Jimmy if they got Luck so get the fug outta here with this "Sitting Jimmy" Crap and not giving him a chance argument. If we don't draft Cam, that is all fine with me but deep down I want the Panthers to draft him so I can see some of the Cam Haters implode. A lot of this hate towards Cam is unneeded.

You haters can go kick rocks.

What? So you're telling me it was all Fox's fault that Clausen sucked? You're telling me his questionable college career had nothing to do with it? You're telling me there's no correlation between him being a "non-winner" in college translating to being a "non-winner" in the NFL? So Fox was in his helmet telling him to checkdown or throw it out of bounds? Damn, I have so much to learn...

And after all this, you're telling me that the Anti-Cam crowd is willing to give Jimmy another chance but they don't believe or feel Cam should get an opportunity to come in and sit,play, or whatever despite the fact that St.Pierre was the best healthy QB on the roster to end the season? LOL.

And oh yeah, everyone that wants Cam to be drafted #1 are too emotionally attached and are only fans of the player with blind loyalty... Despite the fact that most of these f*ck offs completely ignore that almost 99% of everyone on this board wanted Andrew Luck originally. But, ignore that for the sake of the strawman. We only like him because he's black and we want to be cool!

[teeray]

Beason is 6'0 237= 3.29 pounds per inch

Cam is 6'5 250= 3.21 pounds per inch

Cam isn't bigger than any linebacker on our roster

When they do weight classes in boxing or MMA they don't care about your weight per inch. Otherwise you could make the argument that a 100 pound dwarf midget is more powerful than either of these two guys by that metric. But I digress.

It is still pretty fugging close. Not sure that .08 pounds per inch is going to mean he is going to destroy Cam Newton off the face of the planet.

Plus things like body fat, etc. would be needed to do a true apples to apples comparison.

[chef17]

When they do weight classes in boxing or MMA they don't care about your weight per inch. Otherwise you could make the argument that a 100 pound dwarf midget is more powerful than either of these two guys by that metric. But I digress.

It is still pretty fugging close. Not sure that .08 pounds per inch is going to mean he is going to destroy Cam Newton off the face of the planet.

Plus things like body fat, etc. would be needed to do a true apples to apples comparison.

I never made mention of who is more powerful nor did I say he would destroy Newton. But Newton is not bigger than any LB on our roster. That's just a fact.

[mav1234]

Cam Newton would get killed in the NFL playing the same way he did at Auburn. Literally killed. Did you see how hard Oregon beat him up?? OREGON?? Grah. No offense to that defense or to Cam because they both play hard, but Oregon's defense didn't strike me as huge guys.

Good thing nobody in their right mind would want Cam Newton to play the same way in the NFL as he did at Auburn.

He'll end up being more of a scrambling threat on the edge than an option-offense threat. The threat of that run won't leave his guys open deep like it did in college but I bet it will open up a lot of intermediate and short routes to other guys that they can translate into some nice gains. Linebackers will have to consider his athleticism when he breaks the pocket and starts to scramble. The thing is, imo, this is true of most of the top 5-6 quarterbacks in this draft... Don't know a ton about Ponder and Mallett isn't scrambling anywhere, but the rest could take off and be a threat on the edge to get first downs.

[teeray]

I never made mention of who is more powerful nor did I say he would destroy Newton. But Newton is not bigger than any LB on our roster. That's just a fact.

6'5 250 pounds is bigger than 6'0 237. Height per square inch is meaningless. A 2 and a half foot midget that weighed 100 pounds would be 3.33 pound per inch. That means nothing to me. I certainly wouldn't want him on my football team. :lol:

And regardless he is just as big if he isn't bigger. My main point is he is a big fugger and not a delicate little flower. I think we can agree on that.

[Darknight]

Because, they can't have an argument with you without making up your side first. They're not capable of gathering facts and opinions from you and talking it out point by point.

They call people that want Cam to be the #1 pick "emotional" yet I've been personally insulted twice now by Anti-Cam clones, mad because I defended the pick with logic and football reasons, not because I'm a "Cam Fan" but because it makes sense on so many levels. So who's emotional about it?

I guess when you know nothing but how to build strawman arguments, you get to be the authority on every issue in the universe, well at least on a message board when you have lots of internet friends.

I've had good things to say about Peterson, Dareus, and Mallett, but I don't care for Gabbert, and I've expressed all of that - both good and bad - about each of those players in various threads. I also like Marvin Austin... BUT, I don't specifically go in any of those threads to mindlessly and purposely trash a player. There's a difference between expressing an objective opinion on things and then there's talking out of your ass emotionally as you troll threads about the same player.

It can't be... The other difference here is that they are purposely going into Cam threads to provoke pro-Cam people. But, while doing so they ignore the facts and reasoning behind the 'Cam for #1' pick crowd... Which leads me to the next point...

What? So you're telling me it was all Fox's fault that Clausen sucked? You're telling me his questionable college career had nothing to do with it? You're telling me there's no correlation between him being a "non-winner" in college translating to being a "non-winner" in the NFL? So Fox was in his helmet telling him to checkdown or throw it out of bounds? Damn, I have so much to learn...

And after all this, you're telling me that the Anti-Cam crowd is willing to give Jimmy another chance but they don't believe or feel Cam should get an opportunity to come in and sit,play, or whatever despite the fact that St.Pierre was the best healthy QB on the roster to end the season? LOL.

And oh yeah, everyone that wants Cam to be drafted #1 are too emotionally attached and are only fans of the player with blind loyalty... Despite the fact that most of these f*ck offs completely ignore that almost 99% of everyone on this board wanted Andrew Luck originally. But, ignore that for the sake of the strawman. We only like him because he's black and we want to be cool!

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