Warren Moon sees racial bias regarding Cam Newton

[ncmonzta]

I agree blacks QBs do get judged differently than white QBs. However, I have seen almost all spread QBs questioned on whether they can transition to pro style. It's not like all the questions about Cam are unique to him.

When's the last time someone has went undefeated, won the championship, heisman trophy, davey o' brien award, set records and had his work ethic and intelligence questioned?

[mav1234]

http://www.hogville.net/yabbse/index.php?topic=324519.0

check it out. Mallett funnies.

[CarolinaVeins]

Then you clearly didn't read his profile of Jimmy Clausen.

I read what u posted. Excuse me because i dont remember the whole thing. He mentions a house off of campus which was probably true. He did say he was "immature" I didnt follow Jimmy like that before so I cant dispute that. Was he wrong?

[Jaxel]

When's the last time someone has went undefeated, won the championship, heisman trophy, davey o' brien award, set records and had his work ethic and intelligence questioned?

You don't have to be intelligent to run around inferior athletes.

[Swarly]

what a fuging joke

I guess everyone essentially calling ryan mallett a drug addict(which by the way there is zero fuging legitimate proof of that) is a racist too right

get the fug out of here with that bullpoo

[Proudiddy]

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/01/07/report-off-field-concerns-for-mallett/

"off the field issues", and if you do a bit more searching, you'd come across gems like this:

This was on Walterfootball's mock draft for quite some time, right up until Mallett's wonderlics actually came out.

walterfootball was getting major angry emails from Arkansas because they pushed that he was stupid as poo.

these weren't the only posts of that nature, either. while mainstream media simply said he had "MAJOR CHARACTER CONCERNS," a lot of alternatives made it clear they did not like him much at all

Now, to address something else:

Disagree. I read a lot of very critical reviews of The Golden Calf of Bristol related to more than his mechanics.

This is from ESPN's sport inc about The Golden Calf of Bristol. THOSE RACISTS!!!

Again, I didn't say he didn't have similar concerns... I said the emphasis was placed on his mechanics. Also, I said The Golden Calf of Bristol wasn't a good example because he endured a lot of criticism for his beliefs and exposure for them.

[CarolinaVeins]

But Mav those things werent highly publicized like it was for Cam

[chef17]

When's the last time someone has went undefeated, won the championship, heisman trophy, davey o' brien award, set records and had his work ethic and intelligence questioned?

Questioning his work ethic you can say is racial. In the supposed "one read" offense he ran, intelligence is a valid question. If a QB only has to make one read, you really can't tell how intelligent they are.

[ncmonzta]

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/01/07/report-off-field-concerns-for-mallett/

"off the field issues", and if you do a bit more searching, you'd come across gems like this:

This was on Walterfootball's mock draft for quite some time, right up until Mallett's wonderlics actually came out.

walterfootball was getting major angry emails from Arkansas because they pushed that he was stupid as poo.

these weren't the only posts of that nature, either. while mainstream media simply said he had "MAJOR CHARACTER CONCERNS," a lot of alternatives made it clear they did not like him much at all

Now, to address something else:

Disagree. I read a lot of very critical reviews of The Golden Calf of Bristol related to more than his mechanics.

This is from ESPN's sport inc about The Golden Calf of Bristol. THOSE RACISTS!!!

Nice searching meanwhile I don't have to search for negativity about Cam Newton. I can't watch NFl live or Nfl network without hearing about something wrong with Cam Newton. Just check any article about Newton and read the comments.

[teeray]

racism does still exist, but come on. The Golden Calf of Bristol had the same questions about how he'd adjust to a pro system that Cam Newton did. Bradford was supposed to have an adjustment period. Colt McCoy, too.

Come on. Remember the "Pro ready" Jimmy Clausen? Do you think they would have bothered with that term if they actually meant "Everyone who is white is pro ready"? Meh.

Cam may be facing racial bias but I do NOT think it is in terms of "can he adjust to an NFL offense." This is the same question ALL spread QBs are facing. People bring it up with Gabbert... or they did before the recent Wonderlic/splurge of "Chalk Talk" board work with Gabbert stuff.

I think the issue some people have is that every black QB that has come out has had this same question mark thrown at him. Can he read and NFL defense? Can he learn an NFL offense? Even some that have come from pro style offenses. Meanwhile other white QBs may face similar questions (like The Golden Calf of Bristol) but have a much lower threshold they need to pass before the media gives them the benfit of the doubt. And if a whitr QB comes from a pro style they don't even go there. Not so with black QBs.

I don't think it is purposeful or really malicious. Just a subconcious reaction. I really don't think it is on purpose but it does happen. Just my opinion.

[Jaxel]

Nice searching meanwhile I don't have to search for negativity about Cam Newton. I can't watch NFl live or Nfl network without hearing about something wrong with Cam Newton. Just check any article about Newton and read the comments.

This has a lot to with Cam being the potential first pick in the draft and Mallet considered a second round prospect.

[Proudiddy]

But Mav those things werent highly publicized like it was for Cam

This too. Again, I don't think The Golden Calf of Bristol is a good comparison because of reasons previously mentioned but it never felt like anyone was trying to obliterate The Golden Calf of Bristol's chances to be drafted high/succeed either.

I'm not talking about this guy vs. that guy... Although generalizations are usually a bad way to look at things, the point is that across the board more black QBs are questioned for their ability to play that position than white ones. Just like white players are not viewed as natural or explosive athletes by and far... Or why Peyton Hillis is a cult hero with "deceptive speed."

[mav1234]

But Mav those things werent highly publicized like it was for Cam

Which things? Mallett's character concerns were broadcast on ESPN. They were featured on PFT, mentioned on ESPN's website, removed from draft boards... I mean, come on. Nothing Cam Newton has endured has had him removed from the first round by as many people as that stuff caused Mallett.

Nice searching meanwhile I don't have to search for negativity about Cam Newton. I can't watch NFl live or Nfl network without hearing about something wrong with Cam Newton. Just check any article about Newton and read the comments.

How about you read the comments about Ryan Mallett, too? They aren't exactly very positive. If you actually read a thread on this forum about him you'd see plenty of negativity, too.

But the fact remains Mallett seems unlikely to be in contention for the #1 and may not even go in the first round, so people aren't as concerned about him.

Again, I didn't say he didn't have similar concerns... I said the emphasis was placed on his mechanics. Also, I said The Golden Calf of Bristol wasn't a good example because he endured a lot of criticism for his beliefs and exposure for them.

Obviously, when your mechanics BLOW hard, the emphasis will be on the fact they blow hard, but it was repeatedly brought up that his offense wouldn't transition to the NFL either and he'd need a transition time etc.

[ncmonzta]

This has a lot to with Cam being the potential first pick in the draft and Mallet considered a second round prospect.

Mallet considered to be in the top#3 on the quarterback list early mid to late 1st