Gruden vs King (Part II)

[Mr. Scot]

Shaun King, that is. Not Peter.

Shaun King says Gruden failed to develop him

Speaking as co-host of The King David Show on WQYK-AM 1010 today, King said Chucky is excellent at breaking down film and has been a successful head coach but the entire premise of the ESPN QB special is garbage.

“I won’t watch it. I disagree with the premise of the show. The premise is that Gruden is some kind of quarterbacks guru and that having him as a destination for a rookie QB is the ideal situation for a rookie and that just hasn’t proven to the case,” said King, who played two seasons under the Chucky regime in Tampa.

King’s point can’t be argued. Chucky has no success record with young quarterbacks, though that surely doesn’t take away from the entertaininment value of the special. Great Xs and Os and squirming draft hopefuls is a stellar mix.

Jon Gruden says "he's right"

We had the final question of the hour. With our Cam Newton and Jake Locker questions already taken, we lived up to Gruden’s negative blogger stereotype and asked about Shaun King’s recent criticism of Gruden.

“I did fail miserably in developing Shaun King and I’m sorry he’ll miss our show,” Gruden said.

We give Gruden credit for the funny response. He didn’t point out that he’s never coached a first-round pick at the position, saying he misses working with quarterbacks and that he could have done a better job developing them.

ESPN’s senior director of communications Bill Hofheimer seemed a little less amused than Gruden as the call wrapped.

“I wish we had a better question to end on,” Hofheimer said.

So does this hurt the credibility of Gruden's "QB Camp" program?

DISCLAIMER: This thread is not about, nor does it pertain to, Cam Newton. Any and all discussion of Newton should be taken to a Cam Newton thread and kept out of this one. Please limit discussion only to the actual topic posted.

[Mr. Scot]

Let's try this again :D

[mav1234]

Don't tell me you expect this topic to end any different than the last one about this.

[TheRealDeal]

I hope this is just as awesome

[Mr. Scot]

Don't tell me you expect this topic to end any different than the last one about this.

Call me an optimist, I guess. I think it's a discussable topic.

And I have a disclaimer :D

(I may start using that in other threads I start too)

[TylerVagyler]

Gruden may have failed miserably with King, but I still enjoy his show. I'm definitely looking forward to the Nick Fairley special tonight. It'll be interesting to see if Fairley is as dumb as I imagine him being.

[Jackofalltrades]

He's right, Gruden was known for collecting QB's, not necessarily developing them.

Lose credibility? No, not for me, but there are better talent evaluators and you have to keep in mind that Gruden loves everyone. The show has it's merits, but doesn't really show the prospects strengths vs weaknesses as much as I would like.

[TheRealDeal]

But on topic, I don't know why or how Gruden got the job doing this bit, probably started through one of the MNF interviews he did with a QB and ESPN decided to make a special out of it with rookies.

He's never been a great QB coach to me, just a collector. He never coached them up but would rather just try and find someone better. He may be an offensive genius, but he's no QB guru.

So to the point about whether this discounts his time on the show, I think it can only if you valued his opinion on QBs in the first place which no one should have done. If you take the show for what it is, it doesn't change it.

[mav1234]

I think Gruden is capable of helping veterans advance their game but I suspect he has little patience for rookies learning the position. Could be wrong though.

I enjoy his specials but I'm not watching them for his insight.

[TylerVagyler]

Also, I think there is a difference between evaluating talent and developing talent. Gruden may not have been the greatest at developing young QBs, but I imagine he has a pretty good idea of who has potential/the skill set to be a good QB.

But as said above, he loves everyone. So, he is hard to take serious in stuff like this.

[Mr. Scot]

Is the credibility of the show actually tied in to whether or not Gruden can develop quarterbacks, or is that irrelevant?

[TheRealDeal]

I think it's irrelevant.

When he states his personal opinion it's relevant but the show serves it's purpose I guess

[TylerVagyler]

Is the credibility of the show actually tied in to whether or not Gruden can develop quarterbacks, or is that irrelevant?

As far as credibility of the show, I'd say no. He is just evaluating, not developing.

[panthers55]

Gruden didn't develop young quarterbacks because he didn't have the patience to let them learn. He expected them to play well right away and when they didn't, repalced them with someone else. It doesn't mean he doesn't know offense and doesn't know what it takes to be a quarterback in this league simply that he doesn't have the patience to build a team or develop a QB. He was too sarcastic and egotistical to listen to others but he can still be a good evaluator without being a good coach.