If you want Dwill to stay....

[CRA]

So we just offered contracts to guys for the heck of it...great :rolleyes:

Guessing you haven't heard Hurney talk about Moore. He doesn't talk about him at all like a guy who "isn't part of the future plan". And yes, the rules of the tender mean he gets a raise.

That's some expensive camp fodder there.

I didn't say that....I said they were tendered b/c they were considered assets and you can't predict the future.

I have heard Hurney talk.....he says nothing and spews bs.

Rivera like all new HCs who don't inherit Superbowl QBs will find his own guys.

[CRA]

What does that have to do with him getting an offer for 3.5mil and Hurney and Rivera both talking about him like he'll be here in the future?

it is a technicallity......Moore has no contract saying he will get a dime in 2011.

Hurney/Rivera ain't saying anything worth noting about Moore/Clausen/Pike.

[TheRealDeal]

it is a technicallity......Moore has no contract saying he will get a dime in 2011.

Hurney/Rivera ain't saying anything worth noting about Moore/Clausen/Pike.

But they are saying things about them.

If Moore was 100% gone, they would just ignore him, he's not under contract remember?

They don't have to mention him at all, ever, but they do.

[CRA]

But they are saying things about them.

If Moore was 100% gone, they would just ignore him, he's not under contract remember?

They don't have to mention him at all, ever, but they do.

never said he was 100% gone.....QB depth chart is too pathetic to claim that. Moore is clearly the best QB of the 3 from last year.....that is why he gets talk still.

Once the CBA is reached I think we all see this is a new era.....not an era of playing w/ scraps left from a lameduck/lockout season.

[Icege]

If you want to take him at his word without interpretation then you also have to accept the fact he said he wanted Newton...

My interpretation, or your interpretation?

Beason said Cam has that "it" factor. It was a reporter saying Beason wants him.

Nowhere does it tell you the context of the comment. Was the question, "If you could draft someone from this draft #1, who would it be?" Was it, "If you could draft somebody #1 for the Panthers this year, who would it be?"

All I see is some dude saying that Beason wants Cam because he has the "it" factor. Then I see 52 saying himself that Moore and Clausen are their QBs and that it was too much of a crap shoot this year. Whether or not it is damage control is up to interpretation. I cannot understand though how I see a lot of people in support of Cam ask for something, get it, and then disregard it. Why the Hell was it asked for when it was never going to be accepted to begin with?

What about when Gross said he wanted a DT? He said it because he couldn't put Jimmy on blast? But if Beason says QB, it's because he wants a QB and doesn't want to throw his DTs under the bus?

If the Panthers weren't in such an immediate need at QB, I would say to take him. If we didn't have the #1 pick, I'd say take him. However, taking the #1 QB when no QB is worth #1 is simply absurd to me.

[bigdog10]

I think we all want a new QB. Some of us just don't want to take a late first round QB with the number one pick.

[Jpjr]

I think we all want a new QB. Some of us just don't want to take a late first round QB with the number one pick.

Exactly. Very well said.

This place was lighting up with Luck's name a few months ago and then all of the sudden a guy who no one thought twice about has assumed Luck's position as the #1 pick because everyone loves quarterbacks.

This has epic fail written all over it for reasons all of you know but some choose to ignore.

For those thinking Moore will be around... he might as a backup. But last year summed it up for him. It was *his* team, he knew the system, wasn't a rookie.... and when it came time to lead he was a deer in the headlights. After coming back when the season was already blown and he had nothing to lose he played great as usual against the 49rs who were down a QB. Then he went back to his old self. I'd say Moore's chances of starting in the NFL are effectively over, but he's got a decent shot at the backup spot if he is fine with backup money.

[Mr. Scot]

I think we all want a new QB. Some of us just don't want to take a late first round QB with the number one pick.

Pretty much.

[SmootsDaddy89]

I now hate Deangelo Williams because he wants a QB.

[SmootsDaddy89]

Smitty and Dwill will most likely be too old before Cam starts contributing at a high level. I continue to wonder why people assume he will walk in and start. The Golden Calf of Bristol didn't and Cam sure as hell won't. If you want Newton fine, but I doubt these players are talking specifically about drafting Cam.

Yeah, why the fug couldn't The Golden Calf of Bristol unseat Orton when he threw almost as many TDs as both of our QBs threw INTS!

[SmootsDaddy89]

So when he says what you agree with, he means it, but otherwise he's covering up. Gotcha :thumbsup:

When he said he wanted Newton, he meant it. It caused controversy, so he said he was also riding with Clausen/Moore.

But I'm sure he was being honest in both cases and just has schizophrenia or something.

[jarhead]

I think what he is saying makes sense.He is lobbing one over the bow and hopes Hurney and company are listening.The challange will be getting a qb that will be ready and able for next year whenever that is

[Mr. Scot]

When he said he wanted Newton, he meant it. It caused controversy, so he said he was also riding with Clausen/Moore.

But I'm sure he was being honest in both cases and just has schizophrenia or something.

Did he actually say "I want Newton to replace the guys we have now" or did he just say "that's who I would take at number one for this reason"?

Those two statements are not equivalent. And we're going off of Omar Kelly's wording because Beason himself didn't post it.

Here's Kelly's tweet...

Jon Beason told me he'd love some D-line help, but he's riding with Cam Newton as the No. 1 pick because Newton has "that it factor."

Now that's Kelly's interpretation of what Beason said, and there's not even any context so we don't know exactly how the question was phrased or what Beason's actual response was.

This, however, is Beason himself making a direct statement:

jonbeason @OmarKelly, Matt Moore and Jimmy Clausen are our qbs. I'm riding with them. The draft is a roll of the Dice.

So if I want to know what Beason thinks, should I ask him directly, or ask Omar Kelly?

[SmootsDaddy89]

If I'm Jon Beason, and someone tweets something that I never said, or never phrased in that manner, I call that person out. Smitty did it with Florio.

Instead he tweets some blanketed statement about supporting Clausen/Moore, suggesting that he did in fact say that in private to Kelly, and wasn't expecting him to go public with it.

You can find subtle psychological cues in what people say. Even in written form. Beason was doing damage control.