Gantt and the Observer on Jimmy Clausen, Jonathan Stewart, and Charles Johnson

[nosuchthingasapanther]

I really think it is a moot point because DW isn't going anywhere.

that isn't the point. everyone wants williams to stay.

even me.

...i just don't understand how anyone can question stewart's ability when he's displayed just as much talent and more potential than williams did before he became the full time starter.

only on the huddle.

[jtm]

that isn't the point. everyone wants williams to stay.

even me.

...i just don't understand how anyone can question stewart's ability when he's displayed just as much talent and more potential than williams did before he became the full time starter.

only on the huddle.

Not questioning his ability - just saying it is a bit of an unknown if Stewart can produce over a whole season as a starter. How is this not an unknown? He hasn't done this therefore it is an unknown. Then again, most here were touting Moore as the future franchise QB of the Panthers after a couple games at the end of a worthless season.

[nosuchthingasapanther]

Not questioning his ability - just saying it is a bit of an unknown if Stewart can produce over a whole season as a starter. How is this not an unknown? He hasn't done this therefore it is an unknown. Then again, most here were touting Moore as the future franchise QB of the Panthers after a couple games at the end of a worthless season.

seeing a running back's potential after 3 seasons vs a backup qb over a few games are 2 different things.

[rayzor]

Guys face it:

CJ

DW

one of these 2 will not be in Charlotte this season.

very little reason to believe they won't work it out for both guys to be here. they'll have room.

it's not a matter of wether or not carolina has the money.

agreed that money isn't going to be the deciding factor. it's if the coaching staff decides that they need to have that solid of a RB corps that consists of williams, stewart, goodson, and sutton since they have a rookie QB. i'm thinking it's going to be crucial to have all of them.

i know thats not what you meant, but it's the truth. you want your boy to start. but, they need to have as much strength and depth there as possible for the next couple years. you don't make a team stronger by making the strongest part of the team weaker, which it would be without williams whether you admit it or not.

They both will be back

i mostly agree. miami is going to have to pay out the nose to get him. the problem is that they had close to $10mil spent on ricky williams and ronnie brown last year, so they'll have the money to do it since neither one of those guys will be back and they are desperate.

[jtnc]

Not questioning his ability - just saying it is a bit of an unknown if Stewart can produce over a whole season as a starter. How is this not an unknown? He hasn't done this therefore it is an unknown. Then again, most here were touting Moore as the future franchise QB of the Panthers after a couple games at the end of a worthless season.

I can't believe you just fugging compared Moore to Stewart, that's just asinine. Stewart is the one of the best power running back's in this damn league. He can fight off contact unlike D-will. And also so can accelerate.

[jtm]

seeing a running back's potential after 3 seasons vs a backup qb over a few games are 2 different things.

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How many of those 3 seasons has he been the primary back? Again, huge Stewart fan but I can't say it is a given that he will produce as a primary back b/c he hasn't done it for an entire season.

[jtm]

I can't believe you just fugging compared Moore to Stewart, that's just asinine. Stewart is the one of the best power running back's in this damn league. He can fight off contact unlike D-will. And also so can accelerate.

Wow, not possible to explain thoughts to people because they don't read what you wrote or they can't comprehend. Never compared Stewart to Moore. Instead said people here are too quick to establish players as "proven" after only 4-5 games. I listed Moore and Goodson as examples.

[jtnc]

Wow, not possible to explain thoughts to people because they don't read what you wrote or they can't comprehend. Never compared Stewart to Moore. Instead said people here are too quick to establish players as "proven" after only 4-5 games. I listed Moore and Goodson as examples.

No, that is not what you said. Tell me where in hell in that quote I quoted did you bring up Goodson?

[rayzor]

the #28 vs. #34 debate has always been funny because nutriders of both numbers think that it's a competition. too much fantasy football is to blame, imo.

it's not a competition and neither guy think of it like that. if you're a fan of the team then i can't see how you don't want both guys to be here and how you can't see that the team is better off having both of them than just one of them. not just the team is better off for having both of them here, both RBs are because they feed off each other and work together. they have lengthened each of their careers by being able to work together and have made each other better performers.

if you are a panthers fan, imo, you should be a fan of what makes the team better and that is 34&28 together.

[nosuchthingasapanther]

the #28 vs. #34 debate has always been funny because nutriders of both numbers think that it's a competition. too much fantasy football is to blame, imo.

it's not a competition and neither guy think of it like that. if you're a fan of the team then i can't see how you don't want both guys to be here and how you can't see that the team is better off having both of them than just one of them. not just the team is better off for having both of them here, both RBs are because they feed off each other and work together. they have lengthened each of their careers by being able to work together and have made each other better performers.

if you are a panthers fan, imo, you should be a fan of what makes the team better and that is 34&28 together.

bah...it's no fun discussing all this lovey dubby poo.

[jtm]

No, that is not what you said. Tell me where in hell in that quote I quoted did you bring up Goodson?

Verbatim what I said: Enjoy....

"Yes it is unknown. Contrary to what 90% of the Huddle thinks, having 4-5 good games as a starter does not mean you have proven yourself. I think Matt Moore and Goodson (aka fumbles until he proves me wrong) have proven this point.

Don't get me wrong, Stewart is one of my favorite players and he is a stud, but he has not proven to me that he can be an every down back - YET. Just my opinion, you are certainly entitled to yours. If he did it for a solid season and stayed healthy, I would be convinced. Until then, it is an unknown.

Just to play devil's advocate, I said the same thing about DW (and most of the Panther's fans did as well) before he proved himself and had a break out year."

[Icege]

the #28 vs. #34 debate has always been funny because nutriders of both numbers think that it's a competition. too much fantasy football is to blame, imo.

it's not a competition and neither guy think of it like that. if you're a fan of the team then i can't see how you don't want both guys to be here and how you can't see that the team is better off having both of them than just one of them. not just the team is better off for having both of them here, both RBs are because they feed off each other and work together. they have lengthened each of their careers by being able to work together and have made each other better performers.

if you are a panthers fan, imo, you should be a fan of what makes the team better and that is 34&28 together.

Thank you.

[SorthNarolina]

I can't believe you just fugging compared Moore to Stewart, that's just asinine. Stewart is the one of the best power running back's in this damn league. He can fight off contact unlike D-will. And also so can accelerate.

He definitely can't cut back like D-will which I think is his Achilles heel. Stewart can't make something out of nothing. I don't want to start comparing them play for play, but just watch some highlights of how Stewart runs. Then watch some of Williams.

Stewart is a one cut guy, he never stops churning his legs and he commits hard to where the play is supposed to go. Once he gets past the LOS he turns into a freight train.

Williams can cutback across the entire field going to places that the play was definitely never designed for. This was a problem during his rookie season because he panicked too early, but he got better with it as he has gained more experience.

Stewart just isn't as versatile, we need the O-line to be very consistent and healthy if Williams leaves.

I'd like Williams to stay and just be used as needed. Goodson/Stewart don't threaten teams like Williams does. The offense will heavily rely on the running game so we need it to be as versatile/deep as possible.

[nosuchthingasapanther]

He definitely can't cut back like D-will which I think is his Achilles heel. Stewart can't make something out of nothing. I don't want to start comparing them play for play, but just watch some highlights of how Stewart runs. Then watch some of Williams.

Stewart is a one cut guy, he never stops churning his legs and he commits hard to where the play is supposed to go. Once he gets past the LOS he turns into a freight train.

Williams can cutback across the entire field going to places that the play was definitely never designed for. This was a problem during his rookie season because he panicked too early, but he got better with it as he has gained more experience.

Stewart just isn't as versatile, we need the O-line to be very consistent and healthy if Williams leaves.

I'd like Williams to stay and just be used as needed. Goodson/Stewart don't threaten teams like Williams does. The offense will heavily rely on the running game so we need it to be as versatile/deep as possible.

not being able to cut back could a result of a recovering heel...or he just doesn't need to to be effective.

pff's elusiveness rating for 2010

the 2009 season is linked in that article also.

stewart is a hell of a lot more versatile than people give him credit for. when he gets a full season under his belt as the starter to show it, all this nonsense talk can end.