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TD has a hurt Foot Dont know how serious.?

Bj-Monster23

By Bj-Monster23,
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Advice to TD: Stay of stupid fanboards.

yeah, any professional athlete should know the internet is the last place to read anything about you or your team....especially forums and newspaper sites w/ comment sections

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right, because comparing Bob Sanders who played 19 out of 80 games in 5 of his 7 year tenure is completely identical to Thomas Davis who missed 2 games in 4 years up until 2 freak ACL injuries.. Davis is definitely a question mark, but try to keep everything in perspective...

If Thomas Davis gets hurt this year, we don't extend him. if he stays healthy, he's one of the biggest playmakers in the game. 8mil is definitely worth betting on a player of his caliber..

Read what you want to. I said Sanders was more injury prone than Davis. Sanders does tend to get dinged up with nagging injuries here and there, whereas Davis' injuries tend to be the season or career-shortening type. Fact is that both players are completely unknowns at this point that have missed a lot of time in recent years.

The risk isn't just whether Davis stays healthy. The risk also includes him returning to his pro-bowl like form. He can stay healthy and not be an impact player anymore.

My point is that Davis' cap number this year was roughly 3 mil on his old deal. Now he has an 8 mil number for this year. That 5 mil could have been used on a good CB or DT. If Davis had a great year, so be it. He would have been a 29 year old LB with a history of knee injuries entering FA next year. Chances are the Panthers could have resigned him.

I am bearish on a LBer with knee injuries. Lavar Arrington was once a really good player. Then he started having knee problems and was never the same.

This was Hurney unjustifiably rewarding one of his players plain and simple. If you makes you feel all warm and fuzzy inside that the Panthers take care of their own, that is your prerogative. Me, I like seeing winners on the football field and it is hard to do that when you are giving out cash to players based more on what they have done for you in the past than what they are likely going to do for you in the near future.

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okay, prior to his ACL tears he was pretty healthy....

ACL injuries (2 to the same knee) still caused him to only play in 7 of the last 32. Thomas Davis isn't a safer bet at this stage than someone like Sanders.....not with blowing his knee out twice so quickly.

point being made is there was no need to gamble as we had Davis regardless this year......could of let things play out before tossing the cash. Which from a business side of things makes sense.

you can try to distinguish TD in the same light as Bob Sanders, but Sanders has been injured his entire career..

Sanders is 90% likely be hurt again based on 7 years of data.

All you have is 2 freak injuries in 6 years to base your conclusion, and there's a higher chance he'll be just fine this year than not..

not much of a case to say 8mil is an outrageous bet to make on a talent as potent as Thomas Davis..

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Read what you want to. I said Sanders was more injury prone than Davis. Sanders does tend to get dinged up with nagging injuries here and there, whereas Davis' injuries tend to be the season or career-shortening type. Fact is that both players are completely unknowns at this point that have missed a lot of time in recent years.

The risk isn't just whether Davis stays healthy. The risk also includes him returning to his pro-bowl like form. He can stay healthy and not be an impact player anymore.

My point is that Davis' cap number this year was roughly 3 mil on his old deal. Now he has an 8 mil number for this year. That 5 mil could have been used on a good CB or DT. If Davis had a great year, so be it. He would have been a 29 year old LB with a history of knee injuries entering FA next year. Chances are the Panthers could have resigned him.

I am bearish on a LBer with knee injuries. Lavar Arrington was once a really good player. Then he started having knee problems and was never the same.

This was Hurney unjustifiably rewarding one of his players plain and simple. If you makes you feel all warm and fuzzy inside that the Panthers take care of their own, that is your prerogative. Me, I like seeing winners on the football field and it is hard to do that when you are giving out cash to players based more on what they have done for you in the past than what they are likely going to do for you in the near future.

all those words to prove what?

If Davis gets back to him former self 8 million was still too much to bet on a guy's reputation (as you said, he WAS a FA with 2 prior acl tears) that is no longer relevant?

or that 8million is going to kill you or our cap in 1 year, causing massive devastation to our franchise, despite the real possibility that he'll be healthy and return back to form (based on real sources, which is more than making assumptions)...

and if he does end the season early from an injury, our franchise has still not been impacted, and yet we still make a non-critical decision to keep a probowl player on the team just in case... because you know, having a freak at LBer happens everyday..

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you can try to distinguish TD in the same light as Bob Sanders, but Sanders has been injured his entire career..

Sanders is 90% likely be hurt again based on 7 years of data.

All you have is 2 freak injuries in 6 years to base your conclusion, and there's a higher chance he'll be just fine this year than not..

not much of a case to say 8mil is an outrageous bet to make on a talent as potent as Thomas Davis..

I understand your point about Sanders have injury issues his entire career vs. Davis late......I am just saying w/ the types of injury Davis has had in consecutive years now he is not a safer gamble IMO.

I wouldn't call blowing out your same knee once you get back on the field......2 freak injuries. Maybe if he had torn something completely different I would.

i am not against betting on his talent....but it was a gamble is my point and people can argue from a business standpoint they could of waited a year or into the year before placing a bet.

pending scheme.....TD could easily be better than Beason IMO. I thought he was wildly misused early and that sucked. I don't want to sound like I am not a fan of his.....I am a huge TD fan. Injury and misuse have IMO hidden how good he really can be.

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all those words to prove what?

If Davis gets back to him former self 8 million was still too much to bet on a guy's reputation (as you said, he WAS a FA with 2 prior acl tears) that is no longer relevant?

or that 8million is going to kill you or our cap in 1 year, causing massive devastation to our franchise, despite the real possibility that he'll be healthy and return back to form (based on real sources, which is more than making assumptions)...

and if he does end the season early from an injury, our franchise has still not been impacted, and yet we still make a non-critical decision to keep a probowl player on the team just in case... because you know, having a freak at LBer happens everyday..

We will just have to wait and see how he performs. My objective, non-homer opinion says that he has a roughly 25% chance of returning to the player that he was, a 25% chance of being healthy but no longer an impact player, and a 50% chance of washing out of the league either due to injury or lost physical skills. With those odds, I wouldn't bet 8 mil on him.

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