Newton starter vs Bengals, Week 1 starter TBD

[mav1234]

It's like people expected him to orchestrate a scoring drive everytime he touched the field.

I would have settled for one scoring drive from him... even a FG. I was plenty happy with how he did in his first preseason game, thought he just needed to work on his accuracy if he could, but overall I liked what I saw.

[TheRealDeal]

No you just don't possess enough intelligence or facts to backup your baseless, hate-filled opinion.

Yet another reason to ignore your nonsense - Hailmarys don't count as throws? I'll write that down in my amended rules rulebook according to TRD. He still had 2 more INTs thrown before he ever threw a TD against starters and then followed up his first thrown TD with another INT in the same game.

I'm just asking if you hold throwing a Int on a hail mary like it's a bad pass or bad decision?

Moore also got no reps with starters, which Cam is getting. He had no time in camp with the Panthers.

When Cam comes plays with starters against starters,how much do you expect him to outplay Moore's 82 rating as a rookie starter?

I'd say it's reasonable to expect roughly 95-105 for his season average, considering he was a #1 pick and so on.

[blackcatgrowl]

wow rivera, wow

"so uh, guys... we really wanted Cam to look good, but damn, he just isn't stepping up like we hoped, so we're gonna give him three quarters this time and hope he does :)"

just name him the starter, jesus. it's obvious that is what you want to do.

:yesnod:

As I've been saying all preseason... they are going to give him the most reps, but keep Jimmy's hopes alive to either get him to play lights out or keep his confidence going into the season as #2.

[rico6]

Can't blame playcalling for execution completley. If you want to blame the OL, recievers, QB, whoever, but come on. The playcalling wasn't so bad that we wouldn't complete a single third down conversion in the first half (and that includes the 2nd quarter when we were NOT playing the Fins #1s), and only get a small handful of first downs. Playcalling wasn't good, but neither was execution, from top to bottom.

I don't see why you think we're ignoring relevant information showing good he's done... I don't know of a single poster that has said he hasn't made at least some nice throws.

I also don't know what stats we're trying to use to show "how bad" he is. Most stats are people doing stupid stuff like comparing him to Bradford, manning, etc. Unless you mean that retarded bet about Cam vs TRD but that was not a serious part of this thread, so I wouldn't even pay attention to it.

My issues with Cam don't show up on a stat sheet anyway.

That bubble screen with Armanti on 3rd and 9 (WHEN EVERYBODY KNEW IT WAS COMING) was the most vanilla, John Fox play I've seen to day.

The playcalling wasn't good in that game, and rightfully so. It's the preseason.

[GritsRgreat]

Dalton is playing well after a poor start

[Ruff]

In TRD's defense, the new ESPN Total QBR doesn't really count an interception on a hail Mary.

In their breakdown of the stat, they even pointed out that a last second hail Mary interception shouldn't weigh heavily against a QB, because that play doesn't really matter in the context of the game.

[Kevin Greene]

Some damned fine trolling going on.

[TheRealDeal]

Not really in my defense, more in the defense of logic

[HPPantherzfan]

Dalton is playing well after a poor start

He is driving his team down the field with what I hope is much less talent than we have and playing a much better team than we did

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[CRA]

Can't blame playcalling for execution completley. If you want to blame the OL, recievers, QB, whoever, but come on. The playcalling wasn't so bad that we wouldn't complete a single third down conversion in the first half (and that includes the 2nd quarter when we were NOT playing the Fins #1s), and only get a small handful of first downs. Playcalling wasn't good, but neither was execution, from top to bottom.

I don't see why you think we're ignoring relevant information showing good he's done... I don't know of a single poster that has said he hasn't made at least some nice throws.

I also don't know what stats we're trying to use to show "how bad" he is. Most stats are people doing stupid stuff like comparing him to Bradford, manning, etc. Unless you mean that retarded bet about Cam vs TRD but that was not a serious part of this thread, so I wouldn't even pay attention to it.

My issues with Cam don't show up on a stat sheet anyway.

Why didn't Cam complete the 3rd down conversation on his 2nd drive? I guess it was Cam fault for not using his mental powers to force Olsen to run his route to the 1st down marker instead of a yard shy......Cam is an idiot for not using his Jedi mind powers.

after that drive.....Carolina was no longer even pretending to run their offense. No more running. They went ALL Cam with WRs that simply are probably consistantly playing worse than our QBs thus far in the preseason.....

it ain't all the QBs at fault for the chains not moving.....

[mav1234]

That bubble screen with Armanti on 3rd and 9 (WHEN EVERYBODY KNEW IT WAS COMING) was the most vanilla, John Fox play I've seen to day.

The playcalling wasn't good in that game, and rightfully so. It's the preseason.

I didn't say the playcalling was *good* in that game, but I think too much of the outcome of the first half is being placed on the defense and the playcalling and not enough on our lack of execution on offense.

We'll see how it goes after a full week of practice and gameplanning. :)

[Carolinapanman]

Yeah, I think he and Olsen are already developing a decent bond. Slightly better ball placement and he'll have Olsen streaking for TDs I think. I like what I've seen with him connecting with our TEs, and with Smitty out, hard to judge him on WRs.

How can you even say that when Cam hasn't even lead a TD drive in the preseason yet ??????

[rico6]

I would have settled for one scoring drive from him... even a FG. I was plenty happy with how he did in his first preseason game, thought he just needed to work on his accuracy if he could, but overall I liked what I saw.

Again, it's hard to get into any kind of offensive rhythm, when the Defense is getting their asses handed to them for 5+ minutes a drive.

Not to cover Cam with the excuses blankey, but come on.

[mav1234]

it ain't all the QBs at fault for the chains not moving.....

you quoted my post but didn't read it. here, I'll point out the first couple sentences for you:

Can't blame playcalling for execution completely. If you want to blame the OL, recievers, QB, whoever, but come on.

I don't think Cam deserves all the blame for how the offense functioned in the first half at all. I do think play calling wasn't very good. But I also think that you have to place some of the blame on him just because he is the quarterback, and a quarterback owns his offense, the same way I credit Calusen for a decent amount of the blame for last year's anemic offense.

Again, it's hard to get into any kind of offensive rhythm, when the Defense is getting their asses handed to them for 5+ minutes a drive.

Not to cover Cam with the excuses blankey, but come on.

I know, and I've never said "MAN CAM BLEW OUT THERE LETS PULL HIM OUT NOW AND CUT HIM BEFORE WE HAVE TO PUT UP WITH HIM ARHGHTHAHTR" I've just said I don't think he played all that well, the entire offense didn't play that well and we didn't get it done... on either side of the ball, really, as you point out. Ultimately, in the future, I want to see Cam put the offense on his shoulders for a drive or two this year at some point no matter what the defense and running game are doing, but I didn't expect that this last game... just hoped for it.

That loss was a team loss in the first half. :p