What does Cam have to do

[mav1234]

they called him "air mcnair" for a reason, but he was mobile, and he would make defenses pay in college if they didn't account for that.

[KJDaniel31]

Well, no, because most didn't have as many attempts. But Cam averaged 5.7 yards per attempt running and 10.2 yards per attempt throwing. Steve Young averaged 6.1 yards per attempt running and 9.1 passing his final college year, so Newton was LESS of a running QB than Steve Young, on a per play basis. So, again, when you say a QB like Cam Newton has never won a Super Bowl, what do you mean?

I'm talking about how often a guy throws vs how often he runs. I believe this shows what he values, where he is most comfortable, and what he is developing, as well as what his coaching staff believes he can do. A QB on a lesser team is going to have lesser per attempt/ carry stats, as well as different systems/competition levels.

[TheRealDeal]

I prefer to put my own opinions aside and go with the Huddle masses, especially those that write at a 5th grade level.

I don't know anything about football and get all my opinions here. If it wasn't true, why would people say it and force it down my throat?

[teeray]

The simple fact that you have whittled your way all the way back to "only pass run ratio matters" undermines your entire point to you argument to the extent that it is now laughable.

"Yeah... yeah... but even though he passed for 3,000 yards and 30 tds it doesn't matter bc his pass/run ratio is too high so therefore I will put him in the running QB box."

:lol: Someone get TRD back in here so there is someone actually worthwhile to argue with :lol:

[KJDaniel31]

Um, isn't 203 yards in 20 attempts better than 191 yards in 29 attempts? Or am I missing something?

You are missing alot. Of course Cam's stats are better, he played with elite talent in the best conference in football. Many players Cam played will will be in the NFL, and he was only there 1 year.

Jake was in Washington for 4 years. So far, ZERO offensive players he played with have even been drafted, and ZERO current players are ranked in the top 25 at their position for their class. It is likely that Jake Locker will have spent his entire career with not one single NFL player on his team.

The fact is that Jake actually threw the ball with the regularity of a successful NFL QB (doesn't mean he automatically will be); while Cam ran the ball with the regularity of a typical running QB bust (which has shown 100% to mean failure).

You guys are really struggling here....the desperation is obvious.

[frash.exe]

rabbit trails ftw

[KJDaniel31]

All that is well and good KJ although I think it means very, very little. What run/pass ratio do you think is needed to be a successful QB?? Is it quantifiable??

:confused:

No. (For the record, I not sure you are confused. You strike me as pretty intelligent)

Colt Brennan/Graham Harrell/Every QB for Hawaii/Texas Tech/etc threw virtually every play. This means nothing considering they lacked necessary NFL abilities (usually arm strength).

Is there a single number I can point to right now which says "above this line is success, but below this line is failure" ?- impossible. However, I can say that "below this line = failure" for certain. I have been unable to find a successful playoff QB who had anything hear a 1 to 1 pass attempt/rush attempt in college.

Do you disagree?

[ncmonzta]

You are missing alot. Of course Cam's stats are better, he played with elite talent in the best conference in football. Many players Cam played will will be in the NFL, and he was only there 1 year.

Jake was in Washington for 4 years. So far, ZERO offensive players he played with have even been drafted, and ZERO current players are ranked in the top 25 at their position for their class. It is likely that Jake Locker will have spent his entire career with not one single NFL player on his team.

The fact is that Jake actually threw the ball with the regularity of a successful NFL QB (doesn't mean he automatically will be); while Cam ran the ball with the regularity of a typical running QB bust (which has shown 100% to mean failure).

You guys are really struggling here....the desperation is obvious.

You must've been in a fuging coma since April. Cam's best receiver probably won't make our practice squad. All this bullshit you're talking about has already been debunked. Cam's coaches have already said why he ran so much and coach Rivera and Hurney picked him to be our QB not WR. If you want to do some research go to Panthers.com and listen to somebody who knows what the hell they are talking about.

[KJDaniel31]

Wait so now you are going strictly on run/pass ratio?? What fugging difference does that make?

I love guys who get beat at their own game and then change the rules :rofl:

What ratio are you looking for??

What have I argued other than "how much a guy ran" vs "how much he threw"? There are MANY aspects to this discussion, but the fact remains: QB's who's college stats looked anything like Cam Newton's have never succeeded in the NFL.

I am still waiting for ANYTHING resembling a reasonable argument to the contrary from you! You keep giving me guys who threw 3 and 4 times as much as they ran, while we are discussing a guy who ran nearly the same amount! Of course he will throw for more yards, virtually all of NCAA averages more yards per pass than yards per run.

[teeray]

You are missing alot. Of course Cam's stats are better, he played with elite talent in the best conference in football. Many players Cam played will will be in the NFL, and he was only there 1 year.

Jake was in Washington for 4 years. So far, ZERO offensive players he played with have even been drafted, and ZERO current players are ranked in the top 25 at their position for their class. It is likely that Jake Locker will have spent his entire career with not one single NFL player on his team.

The fact is that Jake actually threw the ball with the regularity of a successful NFL QB (doesn't mean he automatically will be); while Cam ran the ball with the regularity of a typical running QB bust (which has shown 100% to mean failure).

You guys are really struggling here....the desperation is obvious.

You mean the superior talent that had no drafted or projected to be drafted at this point wide receivers and whose leading receiver is a guy that won't make the Panthers roster. A team desperate for receivers. Right :thumbsup: :lol:

Locker had who?? Jermaine Kearse?? Who is that? Oh a projected first or second round pick at wide receiver.

:lol: Tell me again about all the talent Locker did not have as pass receivers

You are really struggling here....the desperation is obvious

[Marguide]

Except that it is. There are left handed and right handed pocket passers and running QBs. Right and left hand has no affect on their skills. We are discussing SKILLS. Can you discuss Cam's skills here, or do you really need to sink to this level to avoid admitting you are completely clueless?

Oh boy...you really need to make an effort to have some idea what you are talking about BEFORE posting.

Cam's averages in college:

20 Pass att/19 rush att

203 Pass YPG/105 Rush YPG

Locker's averages:

29 Pass Att/ 11 rush att

191 pass YPG/ 45 Rush YPG

Even counting Jake's freshman year, which severe skewed his stats, his % of pass to rush att (2.6 to 1) is no where near Cam's (1.05). Take away Locker's freshman year (where he ran for more than half his career total) and the stats are even more clear: Jake Locker threw the ball nearly 3 times for every time he ran, while Cam was just about 1 for 1.

How is this similar? Simply because Jake CAN run?

I have shown NOTHING but facts...you have avoided every opportunity to do so. You have nothing but blind homerism to show for your support of Cam's chances for success. If I am wrong, I would love to see the precedent you have for someone with Cam's skills who succeeded in today's NFL.

You are doing a really good job of talking yourself into a box from which you cannot escape.

Shall we talk about the results of Lockers higher pass attempts?

So because Cam ran more than Locker and yet still put up far better passing numbers than Locker in spite of doing less passing, he is somehow a worse prospect?

Keep it going. This is getting good.

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i mean bunches of touchdowns

[Razzy]

At this point, the moment where he leads us in a come from behind last-minute rally is the moment I turn from a Cam supporter to a Cam follower.

[Icege]

-Be able to command the respect of his teammates, including the veterans (something Clausen hasn't been able to do)

-2 to 1 TD to INT ratio

-Continue to progress (such as increased accuracy and better mechanics)

-Move the chains and score points

-Force clowns that use the term "hater" to describe people with objective criticism about his play to accept the fact that not everybody is going to hump his leg every time he smiles at a blade of grass.