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Cams distribution of the ball

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http://www.carolinagrowl.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1007:game-recap-breaking-down-cam-newtons-numbers-after-three-preseason-games&catid=1:articles

"Through three games, Newton is a respectable 12 of 17 for 157 yards when throwing to his tight ends. And, he’s a decent 5 of 9 for 65 yards when throwing to his running backs. But when it comes to throwing to his receivers, Newton is a pathetic 4 of 26 for 53 yards."

Cam is partially to blame for this but damn our recievers need to get open and make some damn plays.

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I don't want him to replace Clausen as the checkdown king but it might do him good to become the checkdown queen for a little while.

Pick his spots with with taking shots down field and making some plays with his legs until he gets more comfortable and improves his accuracy.

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so does this make cam the new check down king?

No. Actually, his distribution between TEs/RBs combined is even with the number of throws to his WRs. The numbers are more telling of receivers not being open, drops, and a few bad throws. I say "a few" because honestly, a lot of Cam's incomplete passes are near misses, which says a lot for a rookie. There have only been a handful of incomplete passes to WRs where I had the "wtf?" look on my face. 4-26 is a scary looking number, but we must remember, that isn't all Cam. In fact, in large, it isn't Cam. Look at the TE numbers. Most of those are intermediate throws. About the same depth as throws to his WRs. That tells us that the WRs aren't getting open and they're dropping passes.

But, no. That is too objective. Instead, let's tear him apart and say "he sucks, he isn't ready. Let's start Clausen/Anderson." Also, he's passing, according to those numbers in the OP, exactly 50%. This is after his worst statistical game passing wise. So, people, can we stop freaking out now?

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I don't want him to replace Clausen as the checkdown king but it might do him good to become the checkdown queen for a little while.

Pick his spots with with taking shots down field and making some plays with his legs until he gets more comfortable and improves his accuracy.

this is what i was implying.

people can defend him all they want, the one area cam is supposed to be good at...he sucks at.

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No. Actually, his distribution between TEs/RBs combined is almost even with the number of throws to his WRs. The numbers are more telling of receivers not being open, drops, and a few bad throws. I say "a few" because honestly, a lot of Cam's incomplete passes are near misses, which says a lot for a rookie. There have only been a handful of incomplete passes to WRs where I had the "wtf?" look on my face. 4-26 is a scary looking number, but we must remember, that isn't all Cam. In fact, in large, it isn't Cam. Look at the TE numbers. Most of those are intermediate throws. About the same depth as throws to his WRs. That tells us that the WRs aren't getting open and they're dropping passes.

But, no. That is too objective. Instead, let's tear him apart and say "he sucks, he isn't ready. Let's start Clausen/Anderson." Also, he's passing, according to those numbers in the OP, exactly 50%. This is after his worst statistical game passing wise. So, people, can we stop freaking out now?

so what you're saying is jimmy is smarter than what we give him credit for since he won't throw downfield to receivers who can't get open?

...and up until now he didn't have competent TEs to throw to.

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No. Actually, his distribution between TEs/RBs combined is even with the number of throws to his WRs. The numbers are more telling of receivers not being open, drops, and a few bad throws. I say "a few" because honestly, a lot of Cam's incomplete passes are near misses, which says a lot for a rookie. There have only been a handful of incomplete passes to WRs where I had the "wtf?" look on my face. 4-26 is a scary looking number, but we must remember, that isn't all Cam. In fact, in large, it isn't Cam. Look at the TE numbers. Most of those are intermediate throws. About the same depth as throws to his WRs. That tells us that the WRs aren't getting open and they're dropping passes.

But, no. That is too objective. Instead, let's tear him apart and say "he sucks, he isn't ready. Let's start Clausen/Anderson." Also, he's passing, according to those numbers in the OP, exactly 50%. This is after his worst statistical game passing wise. So, people, can we stop freaking out now?

Ummm those numbers are wrong...

He is total 21 of 52 which is 40% for 275 yards, which is 5.3 ypa.

I guess he could be discounting the throws that land near no one...?

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so what you're saying is jimmy is smarter than what we give him credit for since he won't throw downfield to receivers who can't get open?

...and up until now he didn't have competent TEs to throw to.

Hardly. Jimmy checks down because he doesn't have the arm for deep throws. He has shown this numerous times. Also, I didn't say the WR numbers are low only because receivers can't get open. And Cam is guilty of this as well, sometimes there is a guy open, but the throw is high difficulty. Your above average NFL QB could make the throw, but these two young guys don't want to risk it in the middle of a QB battle. And, as I said, there are also drops to consider (which, of course, Jimmy has thrown his fair share of dropped passes).

Jimmy checks down a poo ton. Even now, with competent TEs. Jimmy CAN'T throw down field. Cam has shown he can. Cam hooks up with Smitty in the endzone or on that comeback route in the first half that the corner made a great play on to break up, people aren't bitching nearly as much. Cam can make downfield throws. Not consistently enough yet, as he's still learning and struggling (which is expected), but he is showing that he can make them. Get him planting his feet, get the run game going so the pocket gets more comfortable so he doesn't feel as hurried in there, have him step into his throws, Cam dwarfs Jimmy. And he will, in time. Right now, you don't lose much in terms of production passing either way (although I think Cam-led drives tend to move better than Jimmy-led drives). What you gain with Cam is escapability and a multidimensional offensive attack, which is why Cam is and should be our starter.

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Ummm those numbers are wrong...

He is total 21 of 52 which is 40% for 275 yards, which is 5.3 ypa.

I guess he could be discounting the throws that land near no one...?

You're right, I screwed my math up. Still, I contend that, given better receivers who can get open and if the drops aren't there, Cam's numbers are above 50% with closer to 10 YPC. Just saying. There is a reason his numbers throwing to WRs are lower than his numbers throwing to TEs/RBs, and it ISN'T ALL CAM. He gets his share of the blame for his bad passes, but the majority are decent to good throws that are either near misses (which every QB has) or they are dropped passes.

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So over 60 snaps under a combination of first and 2nd team units Cam has done the following.

21/52 passing for 275 yards. He's also rush for an additional 67 over 8 carries.

If you take his passes to w.r's out of the equation then his stats are as follows.

17/25 for 251 yards 14.7 ypc

8.37 ypc on 8 carries.

1 Rushing TD, no passing TD or Int

I wonder if someone has recorded a breakdown of how many of his passes would have been completed had he made the right read and accurate pass assuming the reciever could hold on to the catch.

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