National Cam haters haven't watch Panthers

[Seltzer]

Anybody that has watched Newton run and not been impressed has a much higher benchmark than any Defensive Coordinator in the NFL...

Not that I didn't know he could run, but wow. Imagine when they actually design plays for him to run. If he can develop into a decent passer, then he is totally worth the #1 pick.

I am not being a total homer. He is going to take at least a year to develop into a quality pocket passer, maybe more. But his dynamic running ability gives him a higher long-term ceiling than almost any QB in the league.

Teams will respect his running ability or suffer. And that will make his transition as a passer easier. Cam is not going to get knocked-out after one hit a la Vick. He is going to have to learn to slide some, but we are talking a 6'5" 250 lb guy who can run like a gazelle.

Why did the Eagles take a chance on Vick after his incarceration? It certainly wasn't b/c he was a proven pocket passer. He has certainly gotten better since his ATL days, but Vick's ability to run still scares Defensive Coordinators the most, b/c the defense can cover well and still get gashed for 20+ yards. It's demoralizing.

We've been there in the past against Vick. Hopefully Newton will bring that same ability. Newton, as Rivera has pointed out, is not a savior, but he does represent an opportunity for the Panthers to have a dynamic presence at QB and a formidible offense for years to come once he develops.

[Guild]

Smith was happy, Cam was happy, why can't you be happy?

TheRealDeal obviously knows more about football than you, me, or anyone in the Panthers organization.

[CRA]

Smith's block MAAAAYBE got him an extra yard, if that.

Worth it?

lol...you are only acknowledging the impact of what Smith did at the point of contact. Smith's role as a blocker and impact started much sooner than when he made impact with a Steeler.

[TheRealDeal]

I have a big picture view and want what's best for the Panthers for 10-15 years.

I'm not blinded by short term "excitement"

I want a proven winner that will compete year in and year out, not one drive here and there that give me false hope.

That to me is a simple play, simple read, etc and he chose to run. I don't know how hard it is or if it's even possible to break that habit but it needs to be done.

[bleys]

Cam's run wasn't spectacular, he jogged 19 yards.. by all means, a pass to Smitty would have been the best..

however, there wasn't a pocket for him to sit in before he ran. if so, it occurred right at the time he ran. the OLine hasn't proven he should have sat there. he saw 2 gaping holes open and ran, and had Stew not picked up a block we wouldn't even be having this conversation..

just my 2cents on both sides of the argument..

[Seltzer]

Did you not see the pocket he was in? If he can't complete that 5 yard pass with no pressure on him and no defenders near the WR, he doesn't deserve to put on an NFL uniform.

You want him to be a runner because you know he's not an NFL passer.

He's a true run first QB no matter how much people argue it and it's not a recipe for success. That's all.

So was Vick for his ATL days, and they went to the NFC Championship game before he could throw it in the ocean.

Newton is going to have to develop into a quality passer to be an elite QB, but he doesn't have to be Payton Manning. Vick still doesn't make the most accurate throws all the time or the best decisions, but his passing ability combined with his dynamic running ability still put him in the MVP discussion.

Vick is a top 1 runner and a top 20 (maybe) passer. At this point in his career. Net is he is considered a top 10 (maybe top 5 QB).

[TheRealDeal]

@ Bleys, But pockets "develop" they don't just show up. He didn't give it any time to develop, which goes back to him being run first. The front 5 held up and Stew came over perfectly.

The pocket was there, Cam rushed it.

[Guild]

I have a big picture view and want what's best for the Panthers for 10-15 years.

You might not even be alive in 10-15 years. There is no such thing as the future there is only now.

But I still agree with the sentiment you are expressing.

[TheRealDeal]

You might not even be alive in 10-15 years. There is no such thing as the future there is only now.

But I still agree with the sentiment you are expressing.

You have to agree, it's right.

If there is only now, then we should protest that the FO gave us another shitty product to pay for, but we don't because we wait for the future.

Like I said in another thread, I don't care about results this year, I want him to improve things that's going to make him a sustainable NFL success, not a flash in the pan.

[Seltzer]

Cam's run wasn't spectacular, he jogged 19 yards.. by all means, a pass to Smitty would have been the best..

however, there wasn't a pocket for him to sit in before he ran. if so, it occurred right at the time he ran. the OLine hasn't proven he should have sat there. he saw 2 gaping holes open and ran, and had Stew not picked up a block we wouldn't even be having this conversation..

just my 2cents on both sides of the argument..

For a guy "jogging" 19 yards, he sure gets up the field in a hurry. Who else does that besides Vick? The percentage of 15+ yard runs for QB's is ver low.

And I mean that seriously without sacasm. Most QB's that can get 5-10 yards, it's considered a great run (like Aaron Rodgers) compared to the guys that are pretty much immobile.

Now, obviously, Cam Newton is nowhere in Rodgers league right now, and a QB can not be 100% effective strictly looking to run, but Cam's running ability does add an element to his game that shouldn't be trivialized.

Now, I certainly would agree that a 10 yard run vs a 25 yard pass is not equal, but a 19 yard run vs a 19 yard catch, especially given Cam's size, is equal if not better.

Cam is going to get more comfortable in the pocket over time, but since he's being thrown to the wolves, in the interim, it's much better to take the 19 yards when it's there vs. waiting in the pocker to long risking a sack or wasted play

[Peppers90 NC]

Smith's block MAAAAYBE got him an extra yard, if that.

Worth it?

without a lead blocker, probably 5 yards less.

[teeray]

You have to agree, it's right.

If there is only now, then we should protest that the FO gave us another pooty product to pay for, but we don't because we wait for the future.

Like I said in another thread, I don't care about results this year, I want him to improve things that's going to make him a sustainable NFL success, not a flash in the pan.

I care about results myself and that drive resulted in a TD. I don't care if Cam ran, passed, or moonwalked it was a great drive and Cam deserves credit for that.

He made the play on 3rd and long. Who gives a fug how he did it?

If his main problem is he is breaking off 20 yard runs to the delight of Steve Smith instead of throwing it he is going to be a great QB.

TRD just imagine how good he will be when he does get better with experience. You just made me feel even better about Cam and his potential to be great.

So thanks buddy :thumbsup:

[Guild]

You have to agree, it's right.

No it isn't.

It's a perspective and while a seemingly valid one it is not something that can either be right or wrong.

Also there is no debating that there is only the now. Also, I'm pissed that I'm probably not going to watch the quality of football I'd like to see this next season. That anger is tempered by hope for the future but it doesn't override it because the future may never exist.

So that's nice that you feel so right and everything but there is no right and wrong and your big picture view may be the wrong choice in the end. Of course we have to wait until we can employ hindsight to validate that.

All that bullpoo aside I agree with the 10-15 year plan but I also believe in winning continuously throughout that range of time. Probably shouldn't ever feed your ego with agreement but meh that's like throwing another straw in a barn.

[TheRealDeal]

I aim to please.

So should I expect these great results every drive now and be upset if he doesn't deliver?