"Cam looking at the film what do you need to do to improve?"

[edromeo]

Me saying Cam Newton is a narcissist is no different from people saying he's a selfless, leader. And what are you saying that I can't pass judgment or my opinion on someone without actually having to meet them in person?

Yeah its a little different because you attempted to express it as fact.

And I would have the same gripe if someone tried to profess that Cam is selfless as a fact.

However; I would have no argument if someone said that Cam is leader because the QB position is a leadership position and Cam had earned his stripes in that department from Blinn to Auburn.

His leadership status as professional remains to be seen but judging from the comments from his teammates he's off to a good start.

You can most certainly pass judgement or an opinion without having met someone.

But if you're gonna form an opinion that requires personal contact its kinda wrong headed to then stand on roof top and shout it down as fact.

I urge you to do your research or how about I do it for you. He is simply wrong. And so are you to say it's not the accepted view or definition.

Who is he and what does he have to do with me?

Why would you think I'm not already familiar with narcissism?

I'm going to make an assumption here and say that your hypothesis that it (narcissism?) is not the accepted view or definitions (<-----what?) , is unfortunately based either on a response that was posted awhile back, by someone who simply typed only an excerpt from the entire wikipedia description, by his incorrect personal assumptions(not backed by anything), or is based on poorly usage by the media. If not, and you actually did your research, I don't know where you are getting it from.

You might want to be more clear here because I have no idea what you're talking about.

If you're refering to the below as my 'hypothesis'?

While you may agree with a theory that esposes that being narcissistic is positive its not the accepted definition or view.

Then you might want to try again my friend; is not a hypothesis.

Narcissim(net) ,other then by you and Macoby?, is not viewed as a positive; there is no way around that.

Your posted definitions only support that narcissism is not viewed in a positve light.

When I initially used the term it became obvious people didn't understand the concept of it, and it seems you still don't, if you STILL believe narcissism is a strictly a negative thing or the "accepted thing". It is not a strictly black and white, negative or positive concept. I tried to inform, but it seems it has been to no avail.

Why do you assume that because I don't agree, that I don't understand?

Its another false assumption.

The only way you could believe that I think narcissism is stictly negative is if you didn't read my enitre inital post:

Cam like many other driven and successful people share some of the positive aspects of a (Howard Roarkian) narcissist.

-Cheers

Notice: "positive aspects of a narcissist"?

Is your false assumption settled now?

Also, notice how your own posted definitions show that (net)narcissim is not viewed as postive?

I'm sorry, but it isn't just a theory. It is thousands of years of history, even if you have issues with it. The greatest leaders that have ever lived, politicians, presidents, kings, athletes, from Julius Caesar to Napoleon to Muhammad Ali....were all narcissists.

The bolded portion is most certainly a theory.

A laughable theory at that.

There are aspects of narcissism that are largely incongruent with being a leader.

But, maybe we need to define leadership.

But this is neither the time nor the place for this discussion.

I'm fine if we agree to disagree.

[Floppin]

I've been trying to get it through his head that it's a theory written by one Leadership teacher, and not a fact based observance, or widely accepted psychological theory. He's apparently so personally vested in this theory that it's a fact to him.

[The Saltman]

You guys still talking about this shiit?

[edromeo]

You guys still talking about this shiit?

I'm a closure freak.

~There were 5 men sitting at a poker table when they found out the world was about to end.....

[The Saltman]

The worlds about to end?

Damn, I need to go lose my virginity.

[edromeo]

I shall finish the game

[liljah8303]

Football or gtfo

[PantherFanForLife]

Yeah its a little different because you attempted to express it as fact.

And I would have the same gripe if someone tried to profess that Cam is selfless as a fact.

However; I would have no argument if someone said that Cam is leader because the QB position is a leadership position and Cam had earned his stripes in that department from Blinn to Auburn.

His leadership status as professional remains to be seen but judging from the comments from his teammates he's off to a good start.

You can most certainly pass judgement or an opinion without having met someone.

But if you're gonna form an opinion that requires personal contact its kinda wrong headed to then stand on roof top and shout it down as fact.

Who is he and what does he have to do with me?

Why would you think I'm not already familiar with narcissism?

You might want to be more clear here because I have no idea what you're talking about.

If you're refering to the below as my 'hypothesis'?

Then you might want to try again my friend; is not a hypothesis.

Narcissim(net) ,other then by you and Macoby?, is not viewed as a positive; there is no way around that.

Your posted definitions only support that narcissism is not viewed in a positve light.

Why do you assume that because I don't agree, that I don't understand?

Its another false assumption.

The only way you could believe that I think narcissism is stictly negative is if you didn't read my enitre inital post:

Notice: "positive aspects of a narcissist"?

Is your false assumption settled now?

Also, notice how your own posted definitions show that (net)narcissim is not viewed as postive?

The bolded portion is most certainly a theory.

A laughable theory at that.

There are aspects of narcissism that are largely incongruent with being a leader.

But, maybe we need to define leadership.

But this is neither the time nor the place for this discussion.

I'm fine if we agree to disagree.

I know how you argue, and I am well aware of you changing your definitions. And yes I think you know about as much about narcissism as much as I did about Texas Routes, or whatever the heck it was called, the other week. At least I was man enough to admit it to you when I was out of my field......

Since you are not;)..... I'm going to save myself some time and just post my reply to Floppin in the other thread:

Dude............. stop saying it's just "this guy's" theoretical opinion. It's not. Never was. It's always been what I'm stating. I never went off of "this guy's" theoretical opinion for my argument to begin with. It was just the first example that came off of Google.

This guy is just one of the many, many, many psychologists, authors, and educated people that KNOW what a narcissist is and YOU OBVIOUSLY DON'T!. I've known this about narcissism since high school, when I first learned about Sigmund Freud and his take on it and then learned even more advanced concepts in college. Not just Maccoby.

It is no recent or new concept that the greatest leaders were the biggest narcissist. It started as early as Sigmund Freud in the early 1900s for modern psychology, but dated back even before his time.

STOP BEING IGNORANT and continuing to spread your ignorance because it is contagious. PLEASE!

The Narcissistic Leader

Sigmund Freud (1931) defined a narcissistic personality type as an

individual whose main interest is self preservation, is independent and

impossible to intimidate. Freud (1931) suggested that individuals

belonging to this type of personality group impress others as being strong

personalities, and are especially suited to act as bastions for others,

essentially in leadership roles.

It is apparent that this definition is congruent with the ancient origins of the term1 and interpreted, it refers to a personality type that has an extreme innate need for esteem; in theform of status, attention or admiration, a strong need for power, weak, self-control, and indifference about the needs and well being of others

The ties between narcissism and leadership were notably discussed by

Kets de Vries and Miller (1985) who utilised their foundations in

psychoanalysis to describe the origins of narcissism and its associated

behaviours.

In Alexander the Great, we can see without doubt the characteristics of a

rampant narcissist.

http://www.business.otago.ac.nz/mgmt/research/omgr/05brown1.pdf

I swear I have never argued with such an ignorant person whey you repeatedly show them freaking proof over and over and over that they are incorrect and they still refuse to accept facts.

Here.....

In Alexander the Great, we can see without doubt the characteristics of a

rampant narcissist.

In Alexander the Great, we can see without doubt the characteristics of a

rampant narcissist.

In Alexander the Great, we can see without doubt the characteristics of a

rampant narcissist.

In Alexander the Great, we can see without doubt the characteristics of a

rampant narcissist.

In Alexander the Great, we can see without doubt the characteristics of a

rampant narcissist.

Sigmund Freud (1931) defined a narcissistic personality type as an

individual whose main interest is self preservation, is independent and

impossible to intimidate.

Sigmund Freud (1931) defined a narcissistic personality type as an

individual whose main interest is self preservation, is independent and

impossible to intimidate.

Sigmund Freud (1931) defined a narcissistic personality type as an

individual whose main interest is self preservation, is independent and

impossible to intimidate.

Sigmund Freud (1931) defined a narcissistic personality type as an

individual whose main interest is self preservation, is independent and

impossible to intimidate.

It is apparent that this definition is congruent with the ancient origins of the term1 and interpreted, it refers to a personality type that has an extreme innate need for esteem;

It is apparent that this definition is congruent with the ancient origins of the term1 and interpreted, it refers to a personality type that has an extreme innate need for esteem;

It is apparent that this definition is congruent with the ancient origins of the term1 and interpreted, it refers to a personality type that has an extreme innate need for esteem;

Does it SINK IN NOW? You're spreading ignorance when you keep saying it's just Maccoby's theory. It's not. It's not just Maccoby. This isn't NEW!!! This isn't one guy's opinion. This isn't MY opinion. This is Sigmund Freud, this Ben Brown, this is Maccoby, this is my 10th great high school teacher and my psychology teacher in college. This is ancient freaking history! Alexander the freaking Great was in fact a narcissist! The greatest leaders were in fact, yes fact narcissists. LEARN SOMETHING, DAMN!

PS: Please tell me you at least know who Sigmund Freud is. If you do, this argument should now be over.

[therealmjl]

I honestly can't believe this has escalated to this.

[PantherFanForLife]

I honestly can't believe this has escalated to this.

Ignorance is the society's greatest enemy. If I can help battle it, it's worth the effort.

[Herb]

ummmmm... when i saw this thread.

[edromeo]

I know how you argue, and I am well aware of you changing your definitions. And yes I think you know about as much about narcissism as much as I did about Texas Routes, or whatever the heck it was called, the other week. At least I was man enough to admit it to you when I was out of my field......

Wow.

Didn't see this coming.

I argue some kind of way?

I change definitions?

Do you always assume that no one else knows anything when you post?

I should have my head examined for arguing on the internet.

Look, you can believe whatever you like.

If you want to believe that your mention of narcissism is everyone elses first encounter then vaya con dios.

But at least Have the decency to first admit that your assumption: that I thought narcissism was strictly negative was false then we can go from there.

Since you are not;)..... I'm going to save myself some time and just post my reply to Floppin in the other thread:

So basically you aren't gonna respond to any of my previous post and just try to drown me out with a wall of text from some other thread?

Nice.

Anyway-

Cheers bro,

you little narcissist, :rolleyes:

btw-(having some of the traits of a narcissist doesn't make someone a narcissist, sociopaths share some of the same traits as heroic types does that make all sociopaths heroes or all heroes sociopaths?)

[Gipetto]

CAm says fug the media and the numbers winning is all that matters and he's right

[emhoward]

Jesus wasn't a narcissist. He was a pretty good leader.