Heath Evans: Penn State Needs To Be Shut Down

[fitty76]

Wait so there are other colleges programs that are secretly hiding kiddie rape factories within it's walls?????

I could see your point it this whole child rape scenario was going on at every campus. It doesn't ...that's why this needs to happen.

But I guess their program is worth 20 child rapes. Glad you can put a price on it.

I didn't say child rape was going on on every campus. I said shutting down SMU accomplished NOTHING. Programs still cheat and programs still break the law. You think shutting down PSU is going to make college football a pristine environment?

[Claws]

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[fitty76]

So they should if they had the balls...is that what you are saying?

No, they don't have the balls to shut down ANY program. Miami's still playing football.

[fitty76]

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I'm getting trolled aren't I?

[Claws]

I'm getting trolled aren't I?

Honestly, I'm not sure.

But it is a good discussion. I see both of your points.

Which around here is quite rare. I'm actually enjoying the banter.

[Happy Panther]

• Says PSU's football program should be shut down and players should be allowed to transfer immediately with no penalty
  
• Says there's no way possible that other coaches there didn't know what was going on. For teams to be successful, coaches have to know each other and what is going on at all times. There's no way they didn't see these kids and know of or suspect anything inappropriate.
  
• Agreed with my opinion that even having this interim coach taking over is absurd because he's been there for quite a long time as well, played there, and coached under Sandusky.
  
• Talks about how the NCAA has given the death penalty for much more absurd things.
  
• Mentions Reggie Bush isn't even allowed on USC's campus because of the NCAA's rulings on his case, but PSU is allowed to go on and handle this themselves?
  
• Says the NCAA should stop waving the white flag, step in, and shut down the program.
  

Couldn't agree more.

After an investigation and all the facts are out. Right?

Right??

[Happy Panther]

Wait so there are other colleges programs that are secretly hiding kiddie rape factories within it's walls?????

ECU probably.

[Panthro]

I didn't say child rape was going on on every campus. I said shutting down SMU accomplished NOTHING. Programs still cheat and programs still break the law. You think shutting down PSU is going to make college football a pristine environment?

Honestly...no. But it's a first step. It's a chance to show that there is something more important than "the program."

This is proof that sports has become too important in out lives

[Davidson Deac II]

so you're saying since there's no rule against buttfuging a minor, ncaa shouldn't have jurisdiction.

Got it.

I am saying that the NCAA is setup to govern athletic activities, not criminal behavior. The police have jurisdiction, not a rules committee set up to enforce recruiting violations. That's a fairly easy concept to grasp.

They might be able to get Penn State for something, but by the time they do, its likely to not mean much anyway.

[ladypanther]

How can you take away wins in this case?

I have no idea...but it irks me to no end that Paterno has the record. He does not deserve it. He allowed children to be raped for years. He deserves nothing other than punishment.

[Proudiddy]

After an investigation and all the facts are out. Right?

Right??

IMO, no... (WARNING RUN ON SENTENCE AHEAD) You can suspend Dez Bryant for the rest of his college career and risk ruining his ability to make money down the road for having dinner with Deion Sanders based on assumptions but you allow a program to carry on as-is after a grand jury charges a guy for repeatedly raping and molesting minors while using PSU's facilities, staff, and resources to do so?

I understand that the criminal investigation and process takes precedence over anything the NCAA oversees, but if we look at it in a micro-focus, let's say the NCAA is just overseeing sports and academics. They know the university was used as the headquarters for child rapes, molestations, and exploitations. It is becoming more and more obvious, as I predicted, that this involved some very powerful, rich, and/or influential people and that's why it was swept under the rug and allowed to continue...

For the NCAA to know how many lives have been permanently ruined by what has happened there, they DO have the authority to immediately suspend all athletic activities at least until the criminal investigation has run its course.

People keep wanting to talk about Joe Pa, McQueary, and whoever else... How about the whole program? It should at least be temporarily suspended. They don't need a criminal investigation for that. This is bigger than football, money, and illegal benefits. SMU looks like a speeding ticket for 1 mph over the limit compared to serial child molestation.

[Davidson Deac II]

Wouldn't suspending all sports activities be punishing the athletes themselves for a transgression of members of the administration? I mean why should the swim team or track and field be shut down? I mean I could see shutting down Football perhaps, after all is said and one. But why should the swim team or track and field be shut down?

[Panthro]

Wouldn't suspending all sports activities be punishing the athletes themselves for a transgression of members of the administration? I mean why should the swim team or track and field be shut down? I mean I could see shutting down Football perhaps, after all is said and one. But why should the swim team or track and field be shut down?

Suspend just football then...I mean, UNC has been playing without one without hurting their other sports for years

[Proudiddy]

Wouldn't suspending all sports activities be punishing the athletes themselves for a transgression of members of the administration? I mean why should the swim team or track and field be shut down? I mean I could see shutting down Football perhaps, after all is said and one. But why should the swim team or track and field be shut down?

Sorry, I meant to say football activities but got a little overzealous. I think they should shut football down asap and allow the players to transfer. But, to be honest, the administration allowed these things to go on so if they shut the whole athletic dept. down and allow the athletes to transfer, I could understand that as well.