Mock 2.0

[carpanfan96]

Hate the Brockers pick, other then that a good draft.

If Carolina takes a borderline 1-2nd round prospect with the 8th pick, it might be the biggest first round draft reach ever in NFL draft history.

[Panthro]

Hyperbole much?

[rayzor]

Hate the Brockers pick, other then that a good draft.

If Carolina takes a borderline 1-2nd round prospect with the 8th pick, it might be the biggest first round draft reach ever in NFL draft history.

they said the same thing about cam.

brockers isn't a borderline 1st or 2nd rounder. people are late finding out about him and haven't really updated mocks a whole lot or their rankings but they will be soon enough. brockers is going to be shooting up people's draft boards.

after the combine the dude is going to be getting a lot of attention.

[bleys]

I won't be mad if we solidify our tackle positions for the future by grabbing Reiff (my ideal choice if available).. if that happens, grab a DT instead of a DE in the 2nd.. otherwise it looks like our biggest needs are addressed.

I as well agree about our secondary, that it comes secondary to the defense before the line play. Hogan has a very real chance at making us all forget CB #2 was a big need. Butler in the slot is solid. Munnerlyn as a 4th is decent.

Martin is a big concern for me. we'll see what the coaches decide, whether they think Wilks can help him or if they go another direction, somewhere..

[carpanfan96]

they said the same thing about cam.

brockers isn't a borderline 1st or 2nd rounder. people are late finding out about him and haven't really updated mocks a whole lot or their rankings but they will be soon enough. brockers is going to be shooting up people's draft boards.

after the combine the dude is going to be getting a lot of attention.

I was on the Newton Bandwagon, one of the first to say that Carolina would and should take him. That he was the best overall prospect in the draft.

Brockers is not that, his own coach said he needed to come back to school. He'll rise up the draft charts because of his Athleticism, but when scouts and his coach are saying the same things it's not good.

Brockers said he had been advised he could be selected as high as the first round but also in later rounds. Miles said he felt differently about the decisions of each player to turn pro, “but supported both.

I've heard late first or early second, so I thought it would be best to go, Brockers said.

He came out knowing he isn't a lock for even the first round. While he has tons of talent and upside, he's going to have to sit. He isn't going to come in and start. He doesn't have the experience or technique yet. He might not see but 20-30 snaps a game, that's not a top 10 pick. You look for immediate impact + long term with a top 10 pick. Brockers just isn't that guy.

^ That's from scouts, its known that he doesn't have the experience at DT to make the transition to the NFL immediately. He's only played a total of 2 years at DT in his whole life. The riskiest position to draft and your going to take a guy who doesn't have whats needed to make an immediate impact. Brockers is a guy who if he works out will make an impact in 2-3 years.

That 1-2nd round grade is after his complete season and is moved up a bit, there was some talk about him going anywhere from the late first to anywhere in the second round depending on his combine. He was the 2nd rated DT in the 2014 draft class, and is behind Coples and Still at least as DT prospects in this draft based on talent.

There's more of these but here are a few profiles on him.

http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=89509&draftyear=2012&genpos=DT

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/nfldraftscout-RobRang

[Kurb]

Coples is more overrated than any other player on this board.

If he went to ANYWHERE other than UNC he wouldnt even be mentioned.

[rayzor]

I was on the Newton Bandwagon, one of the first to say that Carolina would and should take him. That he was the best overall prospect in the draft.

Brockers is not that, his own coach said he needed to come back to school. He'll rise up the draft charts because of his Athleticism, but when scouts and his coach are saying the same things it's not good.

He came out knowing he isn't a lock for even the first round. While he has tons of talent and upside, he's going to have to sit. He isn't going to come in and start. He doesn't have the experience or technique yet. He might not see but 20-30 snaps a game, that's not a top 10 pick. You look for immediate impact + long term with a top 10 pick. Brockers just isn't that guy.

^ That's from scouts, its known that he doesn't have the experience at DT to make the transition to the NFL immediately. He's only played a total of 2 years at DT in his whole life. The riskiest position to draft and your going to take a guy who doesn't have whats needed to make an immediate impact. Brockers is a guy who if he works out will make an impact in 2-3 years.

That 1-2nd round grade is after his complete season and is moved up a bit, there was some talk about him going anywhere from the late first to anywhere in the second round depending on his combine. He was the 2nd rated DT in the 2014 draft class, and is behind Coples and Still at least as DT prospects in this draft based on talent.

There's more of these but here are a few profiles on him.

http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=89509&draftyear=2012&genpos=DT

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/nfldraftscout-RobRang

i disagree with pretty much all of that (not that i doubt those people said that stuff, i just don't agree with the assessment.

he's not polished. he's raw. that i will admit. he's kind of a rsiky pick in that he's only played DT for 2 years. i will admit that as well. the potential is through the roof, though. he shows some incredible moves and natural knowledge of the position. he knows how to get to the QB. he knows how to get through linemen. he's a natural. he also has a really high motor and a solid work ethic. he's a student of the game...more, a student of the position.

people will doubt him because they say "he's not ready" but the talent is there and it's obvious. he's got what it takes to succeed in the league and as a DT.

as far as les miles going, i'm sure that his wishing brockers would stay has nothing to do with him wanting to keep his Dline together for a nother year. ;) he knows how vital brockers was to the success of that defense. his teammates and coaches have said as much.

you don't take a guy like brockers for the player he is right now (even though he is one of the best in college, with only 2 years playing the position). you take him because of what he can become and you take him because he not only has a lot of room for growth, but a desire to grow and has shown an incredible ability to take advantage of the opportunities for growth he's given.

is he a project? yep, but so is every player taken in the draft.

[carpanfan96]

Coples is more overrated than any other player on this board.

If he went to ANYWHERE other than UNC he wouldnt even be mentioned.

I don't base anything on my favorite school when it comes to the NFL draft, I base it off of pure talent. In terms of Talent, Coples might be the most talented player in this draft period. He just doesn't always seem motivated to use that talent. I would say the same thing if he went to NCSU or USM. That doesn't matter anymore.

Not my words here, but here's something from Rob Rang one of the main scouts behind Scout and CBSsports. 2nd rated DT, 13th overall prospect in the draft. Top rated 4-3 DE and 3-4 DE in this draft. So lets cover this real quick, 2nd rated 4-3 DT, #1/#2 rated 4-3 DE and the #1 rated 3-4 DE in this draft from the same player.

People in the know at UNC say that he played not to get hurt this season to insure a top 10 selection in the upcoming draft after seeing what happened to Bruce Carter's draft stock.

Despite possessing elite physical talent, North Carolina DE Quinton Coples seldom played up to it this season or showed the competitiveness desired to excel in the pros. His underachiever tendencies, showcased by a long line of Tar Heels defensive linemen who came before him, such as Kentwan Balmer and Marvin Austin, could follow him to the pros and potentially push down his draft status.

NFL evaluator: "(North Carolina DL Quinton) Coples can be as good as he wants to be. I just don't know how much he wants it. He leaves more production on the field than I would like to see from a top-10 pick, but that's where he is going. He's quick, strong, athletic — he plays with great balance in his feet. He's got everything you want. He just doesn't bring it hard all the time — you (commonly) see that with defensive linemen."

http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=82311&draftyear=2012&genpos=DT

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1630323

Words from a scout on Coples - When motivated he's simply unblockable.

That's not my take on Coples, that's NFL scouts. He played lethargic and tried not to get hurt and still posted a 7.5 sack season. He switch to DT in 2010 at 277 pounds and dominated at a new position. (The best single season of any Dline prospect in this draft with 50+ tackles 10 sacks and 15.5 TFL)

[Mvp2014]

I like the top two picks.

[carpanfan96]

i disagree with pretty much all of that (not that i doubt those people said that stuff, i just don't agree with the assessment.

he's not polished. he's raw. that i will admit. he's kind of a rsiky pick in that he's only played DT for 2 years. i will admit that as well. the potential is through the roof, though. he shows some incredible moves and natural knowledge of the position. he knows how to get to the QB. he knows how to get through linemen. he's a natural. he also has a really high motor and a solid work ethic. he's a student of the game...more, a student of the position.

people will doubt him because they say "he's not ready" but the talent is there and it's obvious. he's got what it takes to succeed in the league and as a DT.

as far as les miles going, i'm sure that his wishing brockers would stay has nothing to do with him wanting to keep his Dline together for a nother year. ;) he knows how vital brockers was to the success of that defense. his teammates and coaches have said as much.

you don't take a guy like brockers for the player he is right now (even though he is one of the best in college, with only 2 years playing the position). you take him because of what he can become and you take him because he not only has a lot of room for growth, but a desire to grow and has shown an incredible ability to take advantage of the opportunities for growth he's given.

is he a project? yep, but so is every player taken in the draft.

Watched him play in a few games and I just don't see what everyone else does. He's not explosive against the pass, His numbers prove that. He recorded 2 sacks and 5 hurries in 27 games over two years. Plays well against the run though and based off of his athleticism he could develop pass rushing ability.

[HeatCheck]

I am with carpanfan on the Brocker's stance. Not sure Brockers is a sure fire prospect. He might just be a product of the weak DL class. Coming into the year Worthy, Forston, etc. were atop the DT list but they have fallen off. Not saying he doesn't have talent or potential to be good just not sure he is the right pick for our situation.

Like carpanfan, I was all over Newton after Luck remained in school. Having seen Newton play 3 years before most people here, I was a fan and liked what I saw.

I personally would be for trading down. But if we do stay at 8/9 we need to draft someone that will make an impact sooner rather than later.

[Kurb]

you saw Newton at florida?

[YoungPanthers89]

I dont know who or what position i want but i do NOT want coples and that isnt because im a state fan, many unc fans will tell you the same thing.

[Panthro]

you saw Newton at florida?

even more impressive is watching him at Blinn