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relating to panthers and potential needs/wants/picks (not that any of these are my endorsements or whatever)

feel free to post any tweets you see and if mods can help with updating/editing posts it would be appreciated. thanks.

worth remembering in reading all of this...

dpbrugler Remember: #NFLCombine small part of eval process. One scout told me 80/20 game film over pre-draft process. Another told me 90/10 #NFLDraft

OL in this post. WR/RBs here, DEs here, DTs here, LBs here, DBs here

matt kalil (top 5 guy)

josephperson Matt Kalil says he met informally w/ the Panthers last night. Huge OT will be gone when Panthers pick. Prolly doesn't get past Vikings at 3.

nfldraftupdate #USC OT Matt Kalil measured in at 6'6" 306 lbs. at the NFL Combine; a projected top 3 lock.

dpbrugler Kalil: "I'll do whatever I can to excel at this position...I'm not going to be given a spot, I'm going to earn it"

@MockingTheDraft Kalil tried to play TE in high school, but says his dad stopped that and made him a LT.

"I woulda been a sweet tight end," Kalli said

Kalil said he volunteers to be on the kick blocking team. Said a Utah blocked kick that won game was highlight of career.

Kalil: I am the best tackle in the draft.

@ShawnZobel_DHQ USC OT Matt Kalil just put up 30 reps on bench

riley rieff (top 10 prospect)

RavensInsider A former wrestler riley rieff said the sport boosted his leverage and conditioning

Riley rieff measured in at 6-5 313

@nfldraftupdate #Iowa OT Riley Reiff, at 6'5" 313 lbs., put up 23 reps on the bench @evansilva #Iowa LT Riley Reiff measured in with only 33 1/4-inch arms. Short arms for potential left tackle prospect.

DraftCountdown #Iowa OT Riley Reiff may get chosen in the Top 12 but he isn't any better of a prospect than Bryan Bulaga, who went 23rd, was coming out.

TonyPauline Several teams have shifted Iowa offensive tackle Riley Reiff to offensive guard on draft boards. More: http://t.co/SEDZKRQb

mitchell schwartz (geoff's bro and 2nd/3rd round prospect)
RavensInsider Cal tackle mitch schwartz said he thinks he can play left tackle or right tackle

Mitch schwartz said usc's nick perry was the toughest pass rusher he's faced

Mitch schwartz 'I'm a competitive guy I'm a physical guy I'm a complete lineman'

dpbrugler Cal OL M. Schwartz said he can play both LOT & ROT...thinks the differences bt the two are "overblown"..he's almost too nice to be a lineman

david decastro (first round OG prospect)
nfldraftupdate #Stanford OG David DeCastro measured in at 6'4" 316 lbs. per @dpbrugler.

NFLCharean Jason Garrett said of Stanford OG David DeCastro: He seems to have the traits we are looking for. Cowboys did well drafting OT Tyron Smith.

@ShawnZobel_DHQ David DeCastro of Stanford put up 34 reps on bench

@evansilva DeCastro has 32 3/4-inch arms. Had been some discussion of him moving to right tackle in the pros, but that's guard-only arm length.

@nfldraftupdate #Stanford OG David DeCastro came to the Combine looking very well built, a hair under 6'5". Ran an unofficial 5.34 time. Benched 34 reps.

jon martin (1st round OT prospect)

MockingTheDraft Jon Martin: 6'5, 312 pounds, 34-inch hands

Yes, jerks, 34-inch ARMS on Jonathan Martin. Had hands on the brain because @Erod_Inc darn near broke mine with a handshake, haha

Jon Martin: I think I'll be able to play anywhere on the line. I've had some talks about playing RT.

Jon Martin won't be doing lifting due to food poisoning.

Jon Martin said he spoke with the Redskins' o-line coach last night informally.

nfldraftupdate #Stanford OT Jonathan Martin measured in at 6'5" 312 lbs. at the NFL Combine; due to an illness, he will wait until pro day to do drills.

Amini Silatolu (OG prospect that has been projected as early as 2nd round but most likely a 3rd rounder)

Tony Pauline ‏ @TonyPauline Amini Silatolu/G/Midwestern St has 29 private interviews set up at the combine. The most we've heard of thus far.

@nfldraftupdate #MidwesternSt OL Amini Silatolu measured 6'4" 311 lbs.; a solid frame for either T or G. He's got a nice mean-streak as a run blocker.

@NEPD_Loyko @nfldraftupdate Silatolu is the meanest SOB in the draft

cordy glenn (OT/OG 1st/2nd round prospect)

@walterfootball Cordy Glenn's 31 bench press reps at #NFLCombine are impressive considering his arm length - walterfootball.com/combine2012OL.…

@ryanlownes 31 Bench reps indicate a lot of upper body strength for #Georgia OG/T Cordy Glenn. Very impressive considering 35 3/4" arms. #NFLCombine

@ShawnZobel_DHQ Cordy Glenn of Georgia just put up 31 reps on bench

@NEPD_Loyko Cordy Glenn goes sub 5.00-- this kid is moving up quick

@walterfootball Wow, Cordy Glenn with a 4.96 at 345 pounds - walterfootball.com/combine2012OL.…

mike adams OT (usually listed as a 1st round prospect but probably 2nd rounder)

@JoshNorris I understand longer arms make it harder but 19 reps for Mike Adams as @ShawnZobel_DHQ is pretty dreadful. Makes sense, inconsistent strength

‏ @JoshNorrisMAJOR buyer beware with Adams. Low bench number shows up during games, he's @evansilva Mayock really banged on #OhioState OT Mike Adams for suspect weight-room work ethic, 2 suspensions in college. Only had 19 reps of 225.

‏ @evansilva Mayock on Mike Adams' 19 reps: "That's not acceptable for that position, not even close. See a lot of defensive backs put up that many."

@ShawnZobel_DHQ Mike Adams recorded just over 8 feet in the broad jump and 28 inches in the vertical...those are two numbers that aren't going to help him

james brown (3rd/4th round prospect that played LT in college but will probably be used best as OG in pros)

@evansilva #Troy T/G James Brown did 24 reps of 225 on the bench. He's 6'3 1/2, 307 with 33 3/8" arms. Huge hands (10 1/4"). Also a Mayock favorite.

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34 inch hands?????????????????
yeah what dloes 34 inch hands mean? i am confused
arm length.
MockingTheDraft Yes, jerks, 34-inch ARMS on Jonathan Martin. Had hands on the brain because @Erod_Inc darn near broke mine with a handshake, haha

his actual hand span is 10 7/8", tho. kalil is the same height but his handspan is 10 3/8".

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saved for WR and RBs (scatback/returners)

@evansilva #OklahomaState WR Justin Blackmon's wingspan is 78 1/2 inches. Alshon Jeffery's 80 1/2". Michael Floyd's 78". Rueben Randle's 77".

kendall wright (top 10-15 WR prospect- some believe the top WR in the draft)

@ryanlownes Measuring in at 5'10 1/4 188 makes WR Kendall Wright the second #Baylor player measuring at or above his listed size. #RG3

@MockingTheDraft Kendall Wright has a huge grin saying he measured 5'10

Wright said RG3 stopped using his legs because he got tired of running.

Wright: I have other attributes besides height that make up for it.

Wright on knowing route complexity: Most people don't think I can, but Sunday will tell it tall.

Wright on playing with RG3 in the NFL: We haven't talked about it, but if we do, it would be great.

Wright is now being asked about RG3's socks.

Kendall Wright said he's met with the whole staff of the Browns. Also met with Ravens and Dolphins.

Wright says people didn't say he was small until his senior year of college.

justin blackmon

‏ @walterfootball Justin Blackmon weighs in at 6-1, 207 with 9 1/4 hands - walterfootball.com/combine2012WR.…

@OmarKelly Justin Blackmon said he measured in at 6-feet, & said he won't run at the combine because his pro day is next week & he has hamstring injury

@MockingTheDraft

Justin Blackmon is now up at another podium. Ugh.

Dion Caputi ‏ @nfldraftupdate #OklahomaSt WR Justin Blackmon will not be running the 40 at the Combine, but defended his speed pretty strongly to the media.

@evansilva Justin Blackmon waiting for Pro Day to run 40. OK St has notoriously fast track, helps by roughly a tenth of a second: bit.ly/wr51GK

Charean Williams ‏ @NFLCharean Justin Blackmon has a hamstring injury that will keep him from running here.

@evansilva Justin Blackmon officially measured 6-foot, 7/8" and 207 pounds. Would be smallest receiver taken in top ten since Ted Ginn (2007).

ryanlownes The Sports Science show on Justin Blackmon claims his arms are 34", but they measured 32.5" in Indy. How scientific are they really getting?

michael floyd

@walterfootball Michael Floyd weighs in at 6-3, 220 with 9 3/8 hands at the #NFLCombine - walterfootball.com/combine2012WR.…

Dan Kadar ‏ @MockingTheDraft Michael Floyd compares himself to Fitzgerald, Johnson and Johnson

Michael Floyd said he's unsure if his past problems will hurt his draft stock.

Floyd will do all the drills at the Combine. Wants to show his speed. Not sure what he expects to run.

Floyd has gotten more character questions than John Fox got The Golden Calf of Bristol questions.

Floyd said he went to a counselor and alcohol classes at Notre Dame.

Floyd said he wants to model himself after Larry Fitzgerald on and off the field.

Floyd said he expects to have a formal meeting with the Ravens.

Dion Caputi ‏ @nfldraftupdate #NotreDame WR Michael Floyd fielded a lot of questions regarding his off-field incidents and the consensus is he handled them all well.

alshon jeffery

@walterfootball

Alshon Jeffery is 6-3, 216 with 10 1/14 hands. Rumors said he was overweight. Fast 40 wouldn't surprise me either - walterfootball.com/combine2012WR.…

@Panthers: South Carolina WR Alshon Jeffery said he's the lightest he's been since high school.

@TonyPaulineHearing Alshon Jeffery less than impressive in interviews, plus free agent news from the combine: draftinsider.net

stephen hill (2nd-3rd round prospect)

@ryanlownes Stephen Hill, 6'4 215 expecting to run a low 4.4 is very impressive. Will receive earlier looks than many think. @WesBunting @RavensInsider

Dan Kadar ‏ @MockingTheDraft Hill said he came in 6'4, 215. Learning to run with shoulders over feet.

@MockingTheDraft Stephen Hill, who told me two weeks ago he had a 40-inch vertical, compares himself to Calvin Johnson.

evansilva Watched 2 Stephen Hill games last night (UNC, CLEM). Baller. Stands out as best player on field when involved. Way better RAC than expected. Hill catches everything w/ his hands. Growing up to do but freak length, catch radius, speed, high effort. Plays fast. 1st rd within reach.

Tommy Streeter

@nfldraftupdate #MiamiFL WR Tommy Streeter came in at 6'5" 219 lbs., good size and look, but a quick shuttle + 10 yd time is what people want to see.

reuben randle (1st/2nd round prospect)

Dion Caputi ‏ @nfldraftupdate Rising #LSU WR Reuben Randle measured in at 6'3" 210 lbs.; good size + bulk, bigger hands.

‏ @dpbrugler Randle is clear-cut No. 4 in my WR rankings, but rumblings are some teams in the top-20 are "enamored" by him #NFLCombine

@MattWaldman Rueben Randle: Why The Sideline Arm Matters wp.me/p1xOUs-YH

mohomad sanu (2nd(ish) round prospect)

@nfldraftupdate Measurements for the two #Stanford WRs: Mohamed Sanu - 6'2" 211 lbs. and Chris Owusu - 6'0" 196 lbs.

Chris Rainey (RB/WR/KR/ST ace)

@nfldraftupdate #UF WR/RB/KR Chris Rainey came in at 5'8" 180 lbs., but his bigger 9 1/2 inch hands for someone his size are of note.

Shawn Zobel ‏ @ShawnZobel_DHQ Florida's Chris Rainey had more reps (16) on bench than Wisconsin fullback Bradie Ewing (14). Didn't expect that

brian quick

dpbrugler Two WRs have gone in opposite directions since SR Bowl week...App St. B. Quick is ascending, while UNC D. Jones is falling... #NFLDraft
devon wylie (mid-late round prospect WR/KR/gunner)

dpbrugler One of the most impressive stand-outs from today was WR D. Wylie...focused athlete with natural explosion & competitive drive #NFLDraft

ckparrot Truth: there truly are not a lot of receivers in this Draft that I would take above Devon Wylie, based purely on talent. Wylie isn't just some guy that caught my eye w/ good balance in Shrine practices but can't really run worth a damn. This is a real prospect.

AaronAloysius New Prospect Video: Fresno State WR/PR Devon Wylie vs Nebraska: http://t.co/vRde7CWd #NFLDraft

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quinton coples

JoshNorris Quinton Coples 1st 40: 4.75

walterfootball Quinton Coples with a 4.75 40. Defensive linemen 40 times from #NFLCombine listed here - http://t.co/igXvJl26

JoshNorris Quinton Coples 2nd 40: 4.72

evansilva #NorthCarolina DE Quinton Coples' two unofficial 40 times were 4.72, 4.75 with a 1.63 10-yard split. Freaky at 6'6/284: http://t.co/tTu8NcyV

vinny curry

JoshNorris Vinny Curry 1st 40: 4.97

ShawnZobel_DHQ Marshall DE Vinny Curry performed one drill and bombed it today, running in the 4.9's. That will hurt his draft stock

NEPatriotsDraft 6.90 3-cone time impressed me. I think he can play 3-4 OLB. @afc2nfc: Curious, what did Curry do to impress you today?

ShawnZobel_DHQ People around the league don't understand why Curry sat out of drills with a sprained wrist. He hurt his draft stock after today

melvin ingram

JoshNorris Melvin Ingram 1st 40: 4.66

walterfootball #SCAR Melvin Ingram runs a 4.66, 1.72 split at #NFLCombine. Defensive linemen 40s here - http://t.co/igXvJl26

NEPD_Loyko Mayock watch the Capital One bowl.. Ingram was consistantly cut all game and had no idea to get off that block

NEPD_Loyko Ingram runs 4.78 second time around.. not that great

JoshNorris Melvin Ingram's lack of 10 yard split means he builds speed, not necessarily a bursting 10. Would prefer a better 10 than 40 by comparison.

JoshNorris At first NFL Network didn't have Melvin Ingram in top 10 yard splits, added him late with a 1.65, thats solid. Nothing to worry about. I think Melvin Ingram's best fit is at 4-3 DE but can't limit him to one place. Can play inside or in 2 point stance. Charles Johnson type.

JoshNorris Melvin ingram is the most fluid player here, inlcuding Irvin who is much smaller. Ingram's my 10th overall player http://t.co/J6XMUww5

evansilva Mayock on Melvin Ingram: "More natural athlete, 30 lbs heavier, than (Bruce) Irvin. Natural movement skills. He's checking off all boxes."

NEPD_Loyko 34.5" Vert for Ingram.. a very good day for him all around

nfldraftupdate #USCar DE Melvin Ingram had a big day. Great change of direction and movement in positional drills & loose with ball skills in LB drills.

RUSSLANDE @MattPayne21 - I believe M. Ingram can be a starter at OLB in a 34 or DE in a 43 scheme & will be a very high 1st round draft pick.

cam johnson

JoshNorris Cam Johnson 1st 40: 4.4.75 Cam Johnson has a soft core and is a one trick pony, but wins with it. Heard he was injured all year... interesting player though.
nick perry

evansilva At nearly 6-foot-3, 271, #USC DE Nick Perry recorded a 38 1/2-inch vertical and a 10-foot, 4-inch broad jump. Will run 40 momentarily.

NEPD_Loyko Nick Perry Benchs 225 35 times and Verts 38.5" he's a freak atheltically

nfldraftupdate #USC DE Nick Perry just ran a 4.50 flat with a 10 yard split of 1.57; very athletic player, rocked out physically.

Dan Kadar ‏ @MockingTheDraft Nick Perry said he prefers a 43. I agree.

Nick Perry said at 6'2, 271 that he still feels fast.

Dane Brugler ‏ @dpbrugler USC Nick Perry: "I prefer 4-3, keep my hand in the dirt" #NFLCombine

whitney mercilus

RUSSLANDE Illinois DE W. Mercilus has helped himself at Combine as he was impressive during interviews.
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@nfldraftscout

Best DT in the class? Talk at the #NFLCombine says Michael Brockers, then Fletcher Cox, then Devon Still.

michael brockers

Joe Everett ‏ @RookieDraft DL Michael Brockers #LSU weighs in at 322 pounds + 83 inch wing span with 9⅞ hands. #NFLCombine

Dan Kadar ‏ @MockingTheDraft One of the key talking points all weekend here has been d-linemen versatility. That's huge for a guy like Michael Brockers.

JoshNorris Michael Brockers 1st 40: 5.37

NEPD_Loyko I times Brockers at 5.43 .. not that it matters much but would like to see a little more athleticism

JoshNorris Michael Brockers 2nd 40: 5.33

DougKyed Michael Brockers stayed really high there, see the same thing with his pad level during game tape.

WesBunting Watching #LSU DT Michael Brockers move laterally for a big guy real impressive, same with Fletcher Cox

JoshNorris I will say this about Brockers, he has a damn fine anchor vs the run. Doesn't keep his head up to shed on time tho...

NEPD_Loyko Brockers plays so so HIGH.. its gunna be a problem

JoshNorris Man Brockers lacks a burst and it absolutely shows up in his games, really limits him as a pass rusher.

nfldraftupdate Earlier, #LSU DT Michael Brockers ran a 5.33 unofficially but displayed a pretty nice initial burst. Unsurprising that he lacks long-speed.

RookieDraft DT forty times are impressive today but I'm much more intruiged by 10yrd splits. #LSU Michael Brockers had 1.77 + one scout had him at 1.65

RobRang Certainly plenty of reasons to be excited about LSU DT Michael Brockers' upside but the Combine showed red-flags too. http://t.co/rvwCHeLe

josh chapman

Mike Loyko ‏ @NEPD_Loyko Josh Chapman your typical NT 6010 306 32 inch arms.. built like a boulder

Josh Chapman has 32" arms but 11 7/8" hands..which are the biggest im seen this year

dontari poe

@davebirkett Memphis DT Dontari Poe said he follows DTs Casey Hampton, Haloti Ngata, Ndamukong Suh.

@MockingTheDraft Dontari Poe, the NFL Draft's best nose tackle, opens up at the NFL Combine sbn.to/zLcjBY

NEPD_Loyko I have a feeling the big winner today will be Dontari Poe.. not many people have seen him live.. and he will shine with his size/athleticism

PigskinPaul @NEPD_Loyko Remember these words regarding POE... Is he the next RAJI? He has a chance.

NEPD_Loyko @PigskinPaul yea I cant wait.. Raji had a great senior year making plays at BC a really late riser..I think Poe is can be more versatile

nfldraftupdate At 6'3" 346 lbs., #Memphis NT Dontari Poe just ran a 4.87 unofficially with a 10 yard split of 1.70; very, very impressive.

evansilva Dontari Poe is 346 pounds. 4.87 might be the most impressive pound-for-pound 40 time of the Combine. RARE movement skills.

RUSSLANDE @SC_DougFarrar - Truly scary to see a man as big as Poe explode off the ball to run a 10 that fast & it shows on film in his initial quicks. Important to remember that Ngata was a dominant producer in college, while Poe was not the same play-maker at Memphis.

evansilva #Memphis NT Dontari Poe's "official" 40 time was 4.98, more than a tenth of a second slower than his "unofficial" time.

evansilva Warren Sapp on Dontari Poe: "Looks like a refrigerator. He's not supposed

to move like that. ... I saw a little bit of myself in him."

evansilva Veteran OLine coach who faced Dontari Poe in college: "Took plays off & wasn't a great effort guy but freakish talent." http://t.co/gOgQlPAN

ckparrot @evansilva @JoshNorris Nice quotes. I swear all humongous DTs take plays off. Even Ngata did in college, was a big turnoff at times.

evansilva @ckparrot @JoshNorris Yeah, they all do. They have to. Not realistic to expect a 350-pound person to go full speed every single snap.

fletcher cox

JoshNorris Fletcher Cox 1st 40: 4.79

NEPD_Loyko Cox with a 1.63 10 yard split is a great great time for him

@DougKyed: I can't get over how crazy Fletcher Cox's 1.63 10 yard split is at 298 lbs. Damn.

JoshNorris Fletcher Cox 2nd 40: 4.85

JoshNorris Others are saying it but its worth repeating, Fletcher Cox has the same 10 yd split as Bruce Irvin, a one trick pony edge rusher. Unreal.

@AlfieBCC: @JoshNorris Cox and Coples have same 10-yard as LaMichael James

NEPD_Loyko Cox is a beast.. more more of a natural bender than Brockers

JoshNorris My grades show this, http://t.co/E1GGNrhw But if you want a better player right now its Cox>Brockers. Upside is very similar too. Prefer Cox. The difference between Cox's & Brockers pass rushing upside is that Cox's is based on flashing high level of play, Brockers is athl.

NEPD_Loyko Look at how Cox hips are low..thats impressive

evansilva #MississippiState DT Fletcher Cox, who goes 6'4/298, "unofficially" clocked 4.79, 4.85 in the 40. 1.63 10-yard split: http://t.co/FaUbT46Z

ShawnZobel_DHQ Mississippi State's Fletcher Cox outperformed LSU's Michael Brockers this morning

ryanlownes @NEPD_Loyko Not sure Fletcher Cox gets out of the top 15. I wouldn't be surprised if he takes over as the consensus top DT in the class.

ShawnZobel_DHQ Word on the street is that Marshall DE Vinny Curry is expected to fall to the 3rd, if not the 4th round after today

jared crick

JoshNorris Jared Crick 1st 40: 4.97

NEPD_Loyko 4.97 for Crick not bad for a 5 tech

devon still

nfldraftupdate At 6'5" 303 lbs., #PennSt DT Devon Still just ran a 5.03 unofficially; nice time for Still.
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nfldraftupdate 6'2" 348 #Washington NT Alameda Ta'amu just ran a 5.34 time; not as overall gifted as Dontari Poe, but Ta'amu has a good get-off burst.

SC_DougFarrar @ckparrot Ta'amu is a gentle giant. Dominant at his best, but not always there. Also not a sack guy. Total hole-plugger.

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