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[megadeth078]

Why not give Clausen time to develop?

Because he sucks and the draft offers upgrades.

Fua was the DT equivalent of Clausen last year.

I'm sorry but where exactly did you get the idea that DTs can fully develop in one year or that their true potential can be completely determined in such a short amount of time? That's not right.

Going with DT in the first would be like saying we fuged up on two 3rd round picks in one draft only one year after it happened. One year. You really think Hurney would admit to screwing up that hard so soon?

Pretty sure Mclain was worse than Fua btw.

[rodeo]

Did I say DTs can fully develop in 1 year or did you just make that up?

[megadeth078]

Did I say DTs can fully develop in 1 year or did you just make that up?

Why not give Clausen time to develop?

Because he sucks and the draft offers upgrades.

Fua was the DT equivalent of Clausen last year.

^in reponse to me asking "why can't we give our DTs more time to develop"

Come on, you can't deny you implied that you already determined that our DTs are worthless after one season.

[LinvilleGorge]

Well, we're definitely bringing in a lot of 1st and 2cd round DL talent to visit, that's for sure. It certainly looks like we're definitely looking to upgrade the DL early in this draft barring someone surprising dropping. If a guy like Claiborne or Blackmon is there at #9, then you definitely have to strongly consider taking him, but other than that, I think we see a DL. DT or DE, neither would surprise me.

[rodeo]

^in reponse to me asking "why can't we give our DTs more time to develop"

Come on, you can't deny you implied that you already determined that our DTs are worthless after one season.

Clausen could also have developed to be better than he was in his first season, but it was still clear to everyone that he was crap.

We had, flat out, the worst DTs in the league last year. Expecting them to get kinda better is reasonable. Expecting them to be good and reliable basically paints you as a non-serious person. If you'd rather draft someone else, that's fine, but don't pretend it's because our DT tandem is gonna be just wonderful if only they're allowed to develop.

[megadeth078]

I see a trade down and get DT before I see us getting a DT. I'm starting to think a DE is more likely.

Get the best DE (lord knows they learn quicker), pair him up with Charles Johnson, throw whoever the fug inbetween them and see what happens. Ron Edwards and Ron Edward's dad at DT, it don't matter. If that means getting nothing but shitty production, we can wait until next draft to find someone to put in middle.

[KillerKat]

I'd rather be sure than unsure and right now it's unsure.

[bleys]

Clausen could also have developed to be better than he was in his first season, but it was still clear to everyone that he was crap.

We had, flat out, the worst DTs in the league last year. Expecting them to get kinda better is reasonable. Expecting them to be good and reliable basically paints you as a non-serious person. If you'd rather draft someone else, that's fine, but don't pretend it's because our DT tandem is gonna be just wonderful if only they're allowed to develop.

you are talking out of both sides of your mouth.. lol

[Leeroy Jenkins PhD]

Personally, I think were happy with Jerel Worthy in the 2nd. Meaning our 1st round pick can truly be BPA.

[PantherPhann89]

great, we've established that we have players there. a bunch of mid-late round rookies and journeymen backups.

that's not going to convince anybody that DT isn't a big problem

I'm not saying that DT isn't a problem. I'm just saying that I don't think that it's as big of a problem as alotta people are making it out to be. I'm not 100% sure that there is a DT in this draft that can come in and be so much better than who we have that it would justify drafting him and cutting one of the two we just drafted or the vet we just signed.

[Mage]

Hurney and Rivera deserve to be fired if they allow Fua and McClain to be a reason why they don't take a defensive tackle in this draft.

[rippadonn]

Pie is back!! Pie for all you guys that make sense!

If all the mocks, experts and fans who watch us get gashed up the middle last year can see it why say it isn't so. DT and DE are very important.

Relying on undrafted guys and washed up injured guys to start at any position is promoting weakness. Our offensive line far outranks our Dline talent. This has to be fixed.

[Stroupe-a-loop]

Everybody wants to be the Giants with an amazing front four, but nobody wants to do what the Giants do and take multiple defensive linemen that are questionable with large upside (Marvin Austin, Jason Pierre-Paul, Linval Joseph, etc.)

I'm not going to be doing backflips if we take a DE like Coples or DT like Poe, but they are talented and will probably be there, so it won't be the end of the world.

[x djdrew x]

while i would agree DL as a whole needs to improve greatly, I think the secondary is in need of much more help than the line. I know everything starts with an effective pass rush....but lets get serious for a second, who really wants Munnerlyn, Butler, Stanford, Hogan and whatever other scrub we have on the roster vying for #2 CB. if mo claiborne is available, we just plain HAVE to take him. christ, hardy was a 6th round pick and I'd probably equate him to any rookie DE in this draft in the 1st. I think we can hold off in the 1st on DL and take a more sure-fire need. If every team in our division was built like us, run stopping DL would be priority #1 but we just plain got abused through the air last year for a reason....CB and S were just plain bush league